VM
I wonder if, as ITV effectively own The Voice now, they might want it to eventually take over The X Factor as their primary talent show.
Aren't they doing The Voice Kids too? How are they going to fit all of these shows within the yearly schedule, unless it's going to ITV2 or something?
So which will get the axe first X Factor or The Voice ?
I wonder if, as ITV effectively own The Voice now, they might want it to eventually take over The X Factor as their primary talent show.
Aren't they doing The Voice Kids too? How are they going to fit all of these shows within the yearly schedule, unless it's going to ITV2 or something?
NJ
Neil Jones
Founding member
Well there's the gap between X Factor finishing at Christmas and BGT starting again - it's usually in April and ends at the back end of May, then there's the summer lull between that and X-Factor again.
The Voice on the BBC used to air, in its later two series, in January so it's entirely plausible that may be where ITV put it, and with regards to the Voice Kids, the application criteria was thus which may give a clue (summer?) as where it may air:
The Voice on the BBC used to air, in its later two series, in January so it's entirely plausible that may be where ITV put it, and with regards to the Voice Kids, the application criteria was thus which may give a clue (summer?) as where it may air:
Quote:
[To apply for The Voice Kids] you needed to be under 15 by by 30th April 2017 and over seven by 1 December 2016
BR
Well considering Kevin Lygo has recently said axing Dancing on Ice was a mistake I suspect he's already lining up a replacement for The Voice.
I really hope with The X Factor that ITV would consider slashing the budget and the hours as a reflection of the ratings fall as ultimately both could help it. Although for some people the auditions are the main attraction of The X Factor losing a stage or two (on screen at least) between the auditions and live shows and streamlining the whole process would help. The live stages have clearly needed a revamp for years too - Strictly seemed to manage to loosen up the live shows and make them much more watchable around 2010 or so, but The X Factor is just stuck in a rutt and the format didn't keep up with the contestants they were getting who were much becoming much more individual than things like "Abba Week" could showcase.
I really hope with The X Factor that ITV would consider slashing the budget and the hours as a reflection of the ratings fall as ultimately both could help it. Although for some people the auditions are the main attraction of The X Factor losing a stage or two (on screen at least) between the auditions and live shows and streamlining the whole process would help. The live stages have clearly needed a revamp for years too - Strictly seemed to manage to loosen up the live shows and make them much more watchable around 2010 or so, but The X Factor is just stuck in a rutt and the format didn't keep up with the contestants they were getting who were much becoming much more individual than things like "Abba Week" could showcase.
AN
Well you say that, but last year was arguably the loosest series yet in terms of themed weeks, and we know how the ratings were.
I really REALLY hope that they do shake up the live shows this year though. Every year I expect it and every year I'm disappointed. There have been rumours this year of performances being scored (also rumoured last year and supposedly dropped late on) and also of the voting order being revealed each week. The live shows have gone far too long without much changing.
I really REALLY hope that they do shake up the live shows this year though. Every year I expect it and every year I'm disappointed. There have been rumours this year of performances being scored (also rumoured last year and supposedly dropped late on) and also of the voting order being revealed each week. The live shows have gone far too long without much changing.
BR
I wouldn't really want to see scoring and not sure about revealing the voting order - both wouldn't fix the fundamental problems with the show. A new set at least would be nice - BGT seems to get one every 2-3 years whilst The X Factor has only had tweaked to the set since 2009 . However with this being the last year at Fountain they might hold off another year.
:-(
A former member
Well considering Kevin Lygo has recently said axing Dancing on Ice was a mistake I suspect he's already lining up a replacement for The Voice..
Then why not bring it back? its been three years since we last saw it?
RD
Then why not bring it back? its been three years since we last saw it?
I don't know how these reality shows have a limitless future. Most TV shows in the past never had this and left while they were at the top and did not overstay its welcome.
I highly regarded Dancing on Ice for graciously bowing out like it did but even then I thought it was a couple of series too late.
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
I would have much more sympathy if a temporary hiatus was put on a series to try something new but bravery and courage on behalf of the execs seems to be seldom in this day and age.
There's no such things as going out on a high anymore, it's going out and out and out until everyones eventually sick of it or when it doesn't become profitable... which I think is a shame.
Well considering Kevin Lygo has recently said axing Dancing on Ice was a mistake I suspect he's already lining up a replacement for The Voice..
Then why not bring it back? its been three years since we last saw it?
I don't know how these reality shows have a limitless future. Most TV shows in the past never had this and left while they were at the top and did not overstay its welcome.
I highly regarded Dancing on Ice for graciously bowing out like it did but even then I thought it was a couple of series too late.
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
I would have much more sympathy if a temporary hiatus was put on a series to try something new but bravery and courage on behalf of the execs seems to be seldom in this day and age.
There's no such things as going out on a high anymore, it's going out and out and out until everyones eventually sick of it or when it doesn't become profitable... which I think is a shame.
GO
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
Because they've got nothing to replace them with and aside from a few miseries online millions of people enjoy it year after year and would be incredibly unhappy if it were to go. Just look at the reaction to Bake Off this week and that's guaranteed another three series. Not sure about your comment on quality, both BGT and X are exceptionally well produced.
And aside from a few sitcoms I can't think of many entertainment shows that went out on a high in 'the good old days'. Opportunity Knocks was one of the original talent shows and that went for 17 series straight, Come Dancing went on for an utter eternity and Noel's House Party didn't exactly end on a high.
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
Because they've got nothing to replace them with and aside from a few miseries online millions of people enjoy it year after year and would be incredibly unhappy if it were to go. Just look at the reaction to Bake Off this week and that's guaranteed another three series. Not sure about your comment on quality, both BGT and X are exceptionally well produced.
And aside from a few sitcoms I can't think of many entertainment shows that went out on a high in 'the good old days'. Opportunity Knocks was one of the original talent shows and that went for 17 series straight, Come Dancing went on for an utter eternity and Noel's House Party didn't exactly end on a high.
BR
Then why not bring it back? its been three years since we last saw it?
I don't know how these reality shows have a limitless future. Most TV shows in the past never had this and left while they were at the top and did not overstay its welcome.
I highly regarded Dancing on Ice for graciously bowing out like it did but even then I thought it was a couple of series too late.
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
I would have much more sympathy if a temporary hiatus was put on a series to try something new but bravery and courage on behalf of the execs seems to be seldom in this day and age.
There's no such things as going out on a high anymore, it's going out and out and out until everyones eventually sick of it or when it doesn't become profitable... which I think is a shame.
Completely agree. We've kind of got to see both sides of the coin with Big Brother - C4 opted out at the right moment (if not a year or two too late) from a creative point of view at least and the show hasn't come anywhere close to the C4 standards during it's afterlife on C5.
The affect on C4 after axing it is debateable - yes, C4 struggled quite a bit for a couple of years in finding big new shows to fill the schedules, but it was actually struggling all year round, not just in the summer or January slots that BB filled. Indeed it suffered more from the lost of big US dramas in primetime than Big Brother IMO - but still ultimately it found it's feet again and though it's not got shows that rate as well as Big Brother did, even at it's lowest, it has built up a stable of solid performers over time. Indeed post-Paralympics most the shows I'm looking forward to are on C4.
ITV just don't seem to have a clear strategy in place to look at alternatives to The X Factor. When it launched it was part of a Saturday night schedule which had 4-5 hours of entertainment content, but nowadays it feels like Saturday primetime is just The X Factor and whatever show they throw out before it against Strictly.
The Durrellshas shown that at least on Sundays there is still an appetite for pre-watershed drama which could rate as well as The X Factor result show, and what they lose in the demos they would gain in international sales if it's an ITV Studios show they're putting in the slot. Saturday is a bit trickier but for me I'd only be renewing The X Factor on the understanding that it's budget reflects it's ratings, so focusing it all on one night again for the live show stage at least, and freeing up cash for other content on Sundays, would be the way forward IMO.
Well considering Kevin Lygo has recently said axing Dancing on Ice was a mistake I suspect he's already lining up a replacement for The Voice..
Then why not bring it back? its been three years since we last saw it?
I don't know how these reality shows have a limitless future. Most TV shows in the past never had this and left while they were at the top and did not overstay its welcome.
I highly regarded Dancing on Ice for graciously bowing out like it did but even then I thought it was a couple of series too late.
TV execs nowadays don't seem to have a mark on quality and just seem to base their decisions solely around the ratings. Sure enough ratings is what keeps their business afloat but why do all channels now think we want to see the same show over and over and over again year after year after year, regardless of how many people watch it.
I would have much more sympathy if a temporary hiatus was put on a series to try something new but bravery and courage on behalf of the execs seems to be seldom in this day and age.
There's no such things as going out on a high anymore, it's going out and out and out until everyones eventually sick of it or when it doesn't become profitable... which I think is a shame.
Completely agree. We've kind of got to see both sides of the coin with Big Brother - C4 opted out at the right moment (if not a year or two too late) from a creative point of view at least and the show hasn't come anywhere close to the C4 standards during it's afterlife on C5.
The affect on C4 after axing it is debateable - yes, C4 struggled quite a bit for a couple of years in finding big new shows to fill the schedules, but it was actually struggling all year round, not just in the summer or January slots that BB filled. Indeed it suffered more from the lost of big US dramas in primetime than Big Brother IMO - but still ultimately it found it's feet again and though it's not got shows that rate as well as Big Brother did, even at it's lowest, it has built up a stable of solid performers over time. Indeed post-Paralympics most the shows I'm looking forward to are on C4.
ITV just don't seem to have a clear strategy in place to look at alternatives to The X Factor. When it launched it was part of a Saturday night schedule which had 4-5 hours of entertainment content, but nowadays it feels like Saturday primetime is just The X Factor and whatever show they throw out before it against Strictly.
The Durrellshas shown that at least on Sundays there is still an appetite for pre-watershed drama which could rate as well as The X Factor result show, and what they lose in the demos they would gain in international sales if it's an ITV Studios show they're putting in the slot. Saturday is a bit trickier but for me I'd only be renewing The X Factor on the understanding that it's budget reflects it's ratings, so focusing it all on one night again for the live show stage at least, and freeing up cash for other content on Sundays, would be the way forward IMO.
Last edited by Brekkie on 17 September 2016 3:45pm
SE
It is a sad indictment that in 13 years they haven't really lined anything new up for Saturday nights that could replace XF.
They are giving the celebrity dancing format another go with Talpa's Dance, Dance, Dance supposedly launching next year. It's apparently selling well internationally. It's basically celebs re-enacting famous dance routines from movies and music videos with live performances.
Square Eyes
Founding member
Well considering Kevin Lygo has recently said axing Dancing on Ice was a mistake I suspect he's already lining up a replacement for The Voice.
It is a sad indictment that in 13 years they haven't really lined anything new up for Saturday nights that could replace XF.
They are giving the celebrity dancing format another go with Talpa's Dance, Dance, Dance supposedly launching next year. It's apparently selling well internationally. It's basically celebs re-enacting famous dance routines from movies and music videos with live performances.