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New Radio Times regions?

(April 2005)

NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
marksi posted:
The Northern Ireland edition carries regional variations for Wales but not Scotland.

That sounds a bit Irish, if you'll pardon the expression!

Surely the people in the north, with big aerials, get Scotland; it's just the people in the republic who can get Wales, isn't it?
RW
Robert Williams Founding member London London
deejay posted:
There are so few variations in England these days, its hard to see why they still bother with separate editions for each English region.

The need for English regional editions is as much to do with BBC Local Radio as it is for television regions. And yet with this merger of the London and Anglia editions, local radio details have diminished even further than before and they now covers every station in the South East, East, South, West and South West (19 stations in all!)

James Vertigan posted:
Rather interestingly, the old ITV1 Regional Variations list in Radio Times carried ITV1 Meridian ITV1 Central and ITV1 Anglia... Now that Anglia has been incorporated into the main ITV column, the regional variants listed are ITV1 Central ITV1 Meridian and... ITV1 Yorkshire!

Certainly from the point of view of the London/Anglia edition, this is a massive waste of space - what's the point in taking up the bottom quarter of the page just to tell us that Central, Meridian and Yorkshire have different regional news programmes? It means we frequently get more detailed information about the regional shows in other regions than we get about our own! They do fill up some of the space with the 'On This Day' feature, but I'm guessing this space is used more productively in other regions?
MA
marksi
Nick Harvey posted:
marksi posted:
The Northern Ireland edition carries regional variations for Wales but not Scotland.

That sounds a bit Irish, if you'll pardon the expression!

Surely the people in the north, with big aerials, get Scotland; it's just the people in the republic who can get Wales, isn't it?


Indeed, though where I live you don't need a big aerial for BBC Scotland or Border. A normal sized on will do just fine.
TK
TerryK125
Si-Co posted:
So does anyone have the full list of regions covered by the new RT editions? Have the TV Times areas changed at all?


According the subscription advert which has been carried for a number of weeks in the Radio Times, the editions are:

London/Anglia
Midlands
North West
Northern Ireland
Scotland
South/West/South West
Wales
Yorkshire/Tyne Tees
JE
Jez Founding member Wales Wales Today
Brekkie Boy posted:


Good news for Wales - could never understand why it was merged with West.



Because the HTV franchise was for West and Wales, and officially it still is.

Its good that the RT has its own edition for Wales, the regional variations at the bottom are now West, Westcountry, Central and Granada. Most of the other tv guides are still Wales and West, and Total TV Guide is Wales and Westcountry.
TV
TVDragon
Jack Carkdale posted:
Presumably, in the actual Wales and/or West edition(s) of RT, they don't erronously include a "1" in the news title?

It has always been ITV Wales News etc -- mind you the sky guide still has the 1 in it.


Robert Williams posted:
And yet with this merger of the London and Anglia editions, local radio details have diminished even further than before and they now covers every station in the South East, East, South, West and South West (19 stations in all!)

Well yes, but I would still imagine the West stations now have more space than they did when combined with the v detailed Welsh station details.
AN
Andrew Founding member Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Robert Williams posted:
deejay posted:
There are so few variations in England these days, its hard to see why they still bother with separate editions for each English region.

The need for English regional editions is as much to do with BBC Local Radio as it is for television regions. And yet with this merger of the London and Anglia editions, local radio details have diminished even further than before and they now covers every station in the South East, East, South, West and South West (19 stations in all!)

The Yorkshire Tyne Tees * edition has always carried radio listings for all BBC Local Radio stations in the North of England and BBC Radio Scotland, never quite understood that.

* Note by the way it's actually "Yorkshire/North East" and has been ever since the Channel 3 North East era
RW
Robert Williams Founding member London London
There was a time when there was one BBC Local Radio station per edition. So you had a LONDON - Radio London edition, a LONDON - Radio Medway edition, LONDON - Radio Oxford, SOUTH - Radio Brighton, SOUTH - Radio Solent, and so on. The local radio regions have since been merged several times - in 1982, 1989, 1990 and 2002, and now once again where we have arrived at the rather bizarre situation of the London edition containing listings for BBC Hereford & Worcester...
NW
nwtv2003 Granada North West Today
Brekkie Boy posted:
Si-Co posted:
So does anyone have the full list of regions covered by the new RT editions? Have the TV Times areas changed at all?


TV Times merged it's regions quite some time ago.

Good news for Wales - could never understand why it was merged with West.

The regions do seem pretty random - often here on the N Wales border we find ourselves with Granada / North West editions that have the regional variations for Northern Ireland but not for Wales!


Probably due to the lack of variations on ITV1, the same edition of TV Times is used for Granada, Yorkshire, Tyne Tees and Central!
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
Well, I've now received my copy of next week's Radio Times and the considered judgement is "disappointing".

From a personal point of view, which I'm sure Mr and Mrs Punter in the west region won't share, I'm sad to lose detail of the Welsh television programmes. Okay, we've got 2W down in the "Other Regions" bit, but without information about such things as repeats. Why the hell have they introduced this "On This Day" feature down in that box at the bottom instead of using the space for addition variation detail?

From a general point of view, likely to be shared with other readers, the local radio pages are a disaster. I was really looking forward to more details of local radio programmes, once we lost the page-and-a-half dedicated to Radio Wales and Radio Cymru. Okay, I was expecting Radio Solent, Radio Jersey and others to be added, now we're West/South/South-West, but Radio Wiltshire is just as tiny as it used to be and we've got the details for Radio Norfolk and Radio Kent for some inexplicable reason. The magazine IS still called RADIO Times, after all, so I'm very disappointed that so little dedication is given to that subject.

Ten out of ten for trying; three out of ten for implementation.
WE
Westy2
Can't we have features on the local stations?

I've never seen any !

(3 guesses which station I'm interested in!)
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
Westy2 posted:
Can't we have features on the local stations?

We'll see what happens.

I've sent a version of the post above yours to the RT editor.

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