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New 'Top of the Pops'-style BBC music show (July 2017)

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noggin Founding member
It's up against Coronation Street. That's evidence enough that it doesn't stand a chance and the BBC isn't taking it seriously. 2 million at most.


Being up against Corrie will affect the ratings but you could also argue that the BBC is trying to target a market that is unlikely to watch Corrie as well. The biggest problem for it will be that the main audience are beginning to move away from mainstream television - it will need a big social media and online presence to help it's momentum.


I can't imagine the BBC are expecting stellar ratings. Music on television is infamous for not rating at all well in recent years (Why is it always at the end of shows that feature music? To reduce the impact on the average ratings as everyone turns over).

I'm guessing the 'sketches' are an attempt to hold people and generate some viral excitement? (AIUI the show is being produced by James Corden's production company)

I wish the show well - I think it's really important that we do have an outlet for music on mainstream TV - whether it rates hugely or not. Even 'low' ratings on BBC One are still much higher than the ratings you'd get on non-mainstream channels.
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DV
dvboy
There's a reason why a repeat of A Question of Sport has been in that slot for years.
SW
Steve Williams
It's up against Coronation Street. That's evidence enough that it doesn't stand a chance and the BBC isn't taking it seriously. 2 million at most.


There are few pre-watershed slots on weeknights that aren't up against a soap, and Corrie is hardly the all-conquering behemoth that it used to be twenty years ago. The Wednesday One Show has done well enough opposite it, and they use the Friday 8.30 slot for shows like WILTY and Room 101, so it's not the hopeless case it used to be when it was the slot where programmes went to die. You can get a good three million or so there with the right show. Whether this is it is another matter.

I know Pops did badly there but there were issues with the show as well. It's interesting because people always used to moan when it had exclusives and stuff and say it should only have records in the chart, but when they did that under Chris Cowey, it wasn't very successful and made the show look totally out of date, stuff was on there weeks after it had been on all the other shows - especially when CDUK was on less than 24 hours later with next week's chart on it. It also had some awful lead-ins, I remember for an extended period in 2003 it had Open All Hours on before it, hardly the most youth-skewing affair. Amazing they kept it there for nearly a decade.

Of course, the Friday shift was always sold as being just temporary during the summer of 1996, apparently to stop it being interrupted by sport. Of course, there was actually only one week that summer when it couldn't have been on Thursday as usual. But I was still convinced it was going to move back to Thursdays, and was amazed when I opened the Radio Times for the first week of September and Watchdog was there.

I wish the show well - I think it's really important that we do have an outlet for music on mainstream TV - whether it rates hugely or not. Even 'low' ratings on BBC One are still much higher than the ratings you'd get on non-mainstream channels.


I would agree with that completely. Doesn't matter if it's Top of the Pops or not, just as long as it's something.
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DE88
Of course, the Friday shift was always sold as being just temporary during the summer of 1996, apparently to stop it being interrupted by sport. Of course, there was actually only one week that summer when it couldn't have been on Thursday as usual. But I was still convinced it was going to move back to Thursdays, and was amazed when I opened the Radio Times for the first week of September and Watchdog was there.


Viewing figures were already falling before the shift, and the Beeb would probably claim these days that this was why the shift was made.

But, of course, they were only falling because older viewers were growing tired of Ric Blaxill's frequent bookings of celeb hosts and obscure bands like Bis, and so were switching over to Emmerdale.

And the fact that it was moved from opposite a big ITV soap to opposite an arguably even bigger ITV soap (at the time, anyway), and at a time of the week when most of the target audience would be going out, makes one wonder just how much faith there was in Pops at the time. Indeed, barely two years later, Alan Yentob made a formal announcement that the show was to move to BBC2 permanently - although, as it turned out, this didn't happen for another seven years.

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VMPhil
Interesting, I didn’t know that. When it did eventually move to BBC Two it was technically merged with TOTP2 and showed archive performances to appeal to an older/family audience.
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Robert Williams Founding member
Interesting, I didn’t know that. When it did eventually move to BBC Two it was technically merged with TOTP2 and showed archive performances to appeal to an older/family audience.


Then one year later, TOTP was axed and TOTP2 was brought back, with archive performances and a new performance - the reverse of how TOTP was in its last year.
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VMPhil
Interesting, I didn’t know that. When it did eventually move to BBC Two it was technically merged with TOTP2 and showed archive performances to appeal to an older/family audience.


Then one year later, TOTP was axed and TOTP2 was brought back, with archive performances and a new performance - the reverse of how TOTP was in its last year.

Didn't TOTP2 always have a new performance at the end?
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
Interesting, I didn’t know that. When it did eventually move to BBC Two it was technically merged with TOTP2 and showed archive performances to appeal to an older/family audience.


Then one year later, TOTP was axed and TOTP2 was brought back, with archive performances and a new performance - the reverse of how TOTP was in its last year.

Didn't TOTP2 always have a new performance at the end?

Not always - the format varied over the years, but prior to the 2006-07 series, if a new song was featured then it would usually be a video, though occasionally an artist who had played on TOTP might record an extra performance for TOTP2. In 2006-07 there was always at least one (sometimes two or three) new performances recorded specifically for TOTP2, on the set with the retro logos that's also used for the TOTP Christmas specials.
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VMPhil
Ah, thanks for the knowledge! I just seem to remember the 1998-2003 logo era having performances at the end. I guess I didn’t watch it that closely then.
SW
Steve Williams
DE88 posted:
But, of course, they were only falling because older viewers were growing tired of Ric Blaxill's frequent bookings of celeb hosts and obscure bands like Bis, and so were switching over to Emmerdale.

And the fact that it was moved from opposite a big ITV soap to opposite an arguably even bigger ITV soap (at the time, anyway), and at a time of the week when most of the target audience would be going out, makes one wonder just how much faith there was in Pops at the time.


Worth pointing out that when Pops first moved to Fridays in June 1996, it actually wasn't opposite a soap because its first slot was 7pm when it was only opposite ITV quizzes, so it may well have been a genuine attempt to try it out in a different slot to see if it worked. Presumably when it didn't do the business in that slot they decided to move it again to the Corrie death slot at 7.30 (initially 7.25, in fact, after the Muppets) in September. And they'd actually moved it to Fridays for a few weeks in the seventies - I know they did in September 1974 - but soon moved it back then.

I always remember from the chart in Broadcast that whenever Pops wasn't opposite Corrie because of either it being moved for sport, or Corrie being moved for sport, its rating would always shoot up, which suggested it could still have done alright in a different slot. But in the end, for all the revamps they did, the only revamp that would ever have had any effect would have been a crap revamp of Corrie, because people just never bothered checking it out.

To be honest Pops was on its last legs before Ric Blaxill took over, at the end of 1993 it was all over the papers that it was being axed and people even wrote to the Radio Times to express their condolences. I think Blaxill said he was given a year to turn it around or it'd be axed. Certainly it was in a terrible state at that point. Blaxill didn't increase the audience but he did improve its credibility, under Stan Appel in the early nineties it was a laughing stock among kids. It's very similar to Matthew Bannister on Radio 1 at the time - it lost the older audience but gained a more enthusiastic, but smaller, younger audience. Emmerdale was also enjoying a resurgence at the time, it didn't get much press or audience attention in the eighties and skewed massively old, in the nineties it was stating to become the major show it is now.

In fact you could argue that Pops was pretty much destined from the axe since 1991, so it's remarkable that it managed to carry on for another fifteen years. Everyone slags off Andi Peters for destroying it but it was a basket case before then and although clearly there were some very bad bits under his reign, it least it seemed a bit of a spectacle and it knew it was an entertainment show. The worst eras of Pops as far as I'm concerned are the early nineties no miming era under Stan Appel when it skewed really old and was full of people who Really Could Sing and was utterly tedious, and the latter part of the Chris Cowey era. I was actually quite excited in the early days of Cowey's reign because there was lots of quite imaginative presentation and it felt a bit like the Michael Hurll era we're seeing now, but after about a year there were no new ideas at all and it became such a dull never-changing affair, just stringing together pre-recorded performances.

Not always - the format varied over the years, but prior to the 2006-07 series, if a new song was featured then it would usually be a video, though occasionally an artist who had played on TOTP might record an extra performance for TOTP2. In 2006-07 there was always at least one (sometimes two or three) new performances recorded specifically for TOTP2, on the set with the retro logos that's also used for the TOTP Christmas specials.


And initially, TOTP2 wasn't even devised an archive show and was initially 50/50 old and new music - Ric Blaxill devised it as a music magazine for the audience who had grown out of Pops, so it included lots of new music as well. Initially the archive stuff was confined to two sections - The First Time, which would feature a debut performance from a major act, and Recorded For Recall which would include a couple of clips from a specific archive episode (originally two years with brief clips, then just one year with full-length clips). The rest of it would be new records, with clips from the previous week's Pops - the performances of interest to the older audience - and videos from the following week's chart, plus something called The Video Stir which would be an "interesting" video, I remember the first one was a Rolling Stones video that hadn't been finished before it fell out of the charts, and they also showed a couple of times a video by a German band called H-Bloxx where they appeared as ants which was quite a novelty, and other things from the US and European charts.

It stayed like that for a few years, occasionally there would be all-archive episodes but usually it would have new records in as well. When Steve Wright took over in 1997 there was increasingly more archive stuff, and by mid-1998, it was pretty much all archive apart from the one new video at the end, which would usually be a country record as it was producer Mark Hagen's specialist area. The programme became more popular - in 1999 it moved to Wednesdays, and that November there was a week when TOTP and TOTP2 were both on BBC2 and TOTP2 got the higher audience - and so this spot became increasingly important to the industry. The Mavericks were probably the first act to benefit and, as mentioned, as it increased in importance it moved from being all videos to specially recorded material. Often this would be an artist in the chart doing an old song while they were in the studio doing their current single, but sometimes it would be a new single that would get its only play on TOTP2 if it was an AOR kind of thing. And sometimes there were entire programmes devoted to new performances, of course.

As you say, when it came back in 2006, it replaced TOTP and featured new performances, the difference this time being they were from any genre rather than anything specifically aimed at the older audience. They even counted down the top ten for a few weeks.
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Lou Scannon
Often this would be an artist in the chart doing an old song while they were in the studio doing their current single, but sometimes it would be a new single that would get its only play on TOTP2 if it was an AOR kind of thing.


AOR? Confused
SW
Steve Williams


Yes, Any Old Rubbish.

No, AOR stands for Adult (or Album) Orientated Rock, ie dadrock, soft rock or anything else that Bruno Brookes might refer to as "quality music" - stuff like Dire Straits, Fleetwood Mac, Eric Clapton and other such tedious fare.

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