SP
That wouldn't go down well with viewers in Hull.
Build a continuity booth at Queen's Gardens and let Levy opt out of every junction with a local anno with a white phone box on the symbols
Knowing what a workoholic he is, he'd probably do it as well.
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
seamus21514 posted:
SOmeone else in this forum came up with an idea with a red telephone booth put in random places with timelapse photography. Imagine a booth on giants causeway, picadilly circus, etc with people zooming around it. That would be cool
That wouldn't go down well with viewers in Hull.
Build a continuity booth at Queen's Gardens and let Levy opt out of every junction with a local anno with a white phone box on the symbols
Knowing what a workoholic he is, he'd probably do it as well.
NW
Whenever they do appear on screen, there'll be the usual outraged story in the Daily Mail et al about how much it has cost. 
Cos of course newspapers spend no money on marketing or branding do they?
Cos of course newspapers spend no money on marketing or branding do they?
ST
GarryMc - I suggest you delete your post to save you the embarassment of having a repitition of the original post two days after the thread started. I hope you're not an investigative journalist
GarryMc posted:
15 May 2006
Controller of BBC One, Peter Fincham, has confirmed that the channel's presentation will be refreshed this Autumn. The 'rhythm and dance' idents will be replaced in an image change that will coincide with a refreshed schedule.
Mr Fincham's comments came in an interview with Media Guardian.
Controller of BBC One, Peter Fincham, has confirmed that the channel's presentation will be refreshed this Autumn. The 'rhythm and dance' idents will be replaced in an image change that will coincide with a refreshed schedule.
Mr Fincham's comments came in an interview with Media Guardian.
GarryMc - I suggest you delete your post to save you the embarassment of having a repitition of the original post two days after the thread started. I hope you're not an investigative journalist
PE
pear
when they do change the idents do you think they will change the red box logo?
oh and when will the new look be on screen september or october?
oh and when will the new look be on screen september or october?
BU
The overall 'twee' concept, the ham-fisted effort at 'inclusivity', the unimaginative execution of the idea, the inappropriate use of some idents before certain programming (one word - 'Tsunami'), the southern-centric locations, the awful Masai ident...
Does that give you an idea?
I'm not a big fan of the dancer idents, but I can't really see how they are southern-centric. Fair enough with Ballet - Cornwall, Tumbler - apparently the South Bank in London, and Capoeira - obviously London. But most of them are indoors/themed abroad, and Tai Chi and Skateboarders could be anywhere.
Spencer For Hire posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
I've never understood why so many forum-ers are so negative about the dancers.
The overall 'twee' concept, the ham-fisted effort at 'inclusivity', the unimaginative execution of the idea, the inappropriate use of some idents before certain programming (one word - 'Tsunami'), the southern-centric locations, the awful Masai ident...
Does that give you an idea?
I'm not a big fan of the dancer idents, but I can't really see how they are southern-centric. Fair enough with Ballet - Cornwall, Tumbler - apparently the South Bank in London, and Capoeira - obviously London. But most of them are indoors/themed abroad, and Tai Chi and Skateboarders could be anywhere.
SP
The overall 'twee' concept, the ham-fisted effort at 'inclusivity', the unimaginative execution of the idea, the inappropriate use of some idents before certain programming (one word - 'Tsunami'), the southern-centric locations, the awful Masai ident...
Does that give you an idea?
I'm not a big fan of the dancer idents, but I can't really see how they are southern-centric. Fair enough with Ballet - Cornwall, Tumbler - apparently the South Bank in London, and Capoeira - obviously London. But most of them are indoors/themed abroad, and Tai Chi and Skateboarders could be anywhere.
I think you've answered your own question there. The only ones with recognisable backgrounds are in the South. None of them to my knowledge was shot any further north than Haka somewhere in South Wales.
Buerkmania posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
I've never understood why so many forum-ers are so negative about the dancers.
The overall 'twee' concept, the ham-fisted effort at 'inclusivity', the unimaginative execution of the idea, the inappropriate use of some idents before certain programming (one word - 'Tsunami'), the southern-centric locations, the awful Masai ident...
Does that give you an idea?
I'm not a big fan of the dancer idents, but I can't really see how they are southern-centric. Fair enough with Ballet - Cornwall, Tumbler - apparently the South Bank in London, and Capoeira - obviously London. But most of them are indoors/themed abroad, and Tai Chi and Skateboarders could be anywhere.
I think you've answered your own question there. The only ones with recognisable backgrounds are in the South. None of them to my knowledge was shot any further north than Haka somewhere in South Wales.
BU
Yes I do see your point, fair enough there are none in Northern England - Skateboarders was Belfast and Tai Chi was filmed in Scotland - and perhaps there should be. Despite what my profile says, I'm of Northern blood!
What I suppose I meant was that these are only three (two, really - we rarely see Ballet) of about 15/16, and those which are recognisable are of our capital city - doesn't matter if it's in the North or South.
What I suppose I meant was that these are only three (two, really - we rarely see Ballet) of about 15/16, and those which are recognisable are of our capital city - doesn't matter if it's in the North or South.
PE
pear
can you lot change the subject as you are making it go off topic we are supposed to be talking about the new ldents not the old one. 
PC
Absolutely! That's the ingenuity of the balloon concept. It is truly relevant in that respect, so much more than the dancers are.
It had that edge of 'importance' in the familiar globe symbol, while being modern and captivating. The dancers lacked that combination and really didn't do much to reflect the channel or the BBC.
Red Bee either should create an identity that primarily symbolizes the BBC (and not the programmes they make), or go for a versatile numerical figure '1' . The globe/balloon was somewhat authoritive to me, a stamp of quality and trust. These attributes would do well to be part of the new look; something that is not all arty nonsense, is fairly straightforward, and above all visually and aurally captures attention with a memorable symbol.
I was looking at some of the content from the 1991 era. A lot of people say about the ident which was music-less and somewhat old fashioned. However, there was another pres element of this time that has not yet been mentioned: the stings introduced after a couple of years, showing the figure 1 in various forms and as various objects. These were short, but if lengthened would have made nice idents. I don't think a figure 1 is a bad idea at all; provided it follows a style similar to those 90's stings (rather than BBC TWO's current personality set which wouldn't be as suitable); this could easily be used across many platforms and branding applications (something that the dancers frankly fail at) but sadly I don't think the return of a '1' is likely; it has potential, but regardless, I shall remember those '1' stings fondly (the Cityscape animation was my favourite; great jingle too!)
Moz posted:
And of course the balloon was the most clever as it brought the world to every corner of the UK, and some.
Absolutely! That's the ingenuity of the balloon concept. It is truly relevant in that respect, so much more than the dancers are.
It had that edge of 'importance' in the familiar globe symbol, while being modern and captivating. The dancers lacked that combination and really didn't do much to reflect the channel or the BBC.
Red Bee either should create an identity that primarily symbolizes the BBC (and not the programmes they make), or go for a versatile numerical figure '1' . The globe/balloon was somewhat authoritive to me, a stamp of quality and trust. These attributes would do well to be part of the new look; something that is not all arty nonsense, is fairly straightforward, and above all visually and aurally captures attention with a memorable symbol.
I was looking at some of the content from the 1991 era. A lot of people say about the ident which was music-less and somewhat old fashioned. However, there was another pres element of this time that has not yet been mentioned: the stings introduced after a couple of years, showing the figure 1 in various forms and as various objects. These were short, but if lengthened would have made nice idents. I don't think a figure 1 is a bad idea at all; provided it follows a style similar to those 90's stings (rather than BBC TWO's current personality set which wouldn't be as suitable); this could easily be used across many platforms and branding applications (something that the dancers frankly fail at) but sadly I don't think the return of a '1' is likely; it has potential, but regardless, I shall remember those '1' stings fondly (the Cityscape animation was my favourite; great jingle too!)