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"Watch this space" as BBC Creative respond to ident change request (December 2016)

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A former member
There not stood the test of time either. There dull and worthless.
JO
Jon
Not sure I’d agree with that. The hippos for example probably the most memorable in the package it not only really well, it is quirky and gives the viewer something they wouldn’t normally see. The package ties the brand well together and gives a lot of appropriate options for the different type of programming that makes up BBC One.
VM
VMPhil
I caught the end of The Boss on BBC One daytime last week, and was surprised to see it credited as a BBC Studios production. Aren't most BBC game shows made by indies now? Or does BBC Studios now count as an indie?


I see UKGameshows have attempted to clear it up.

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There is a company with a similar name, BBC Studioworks, but it does something different. BBC Studios' works are not to be confused with BBC Studioworks' works, as BBC Studioworks works in studios, and BBC Studios works in a studio. BBC Studioworks manages the spaces that are studios, so that BBC Studios can make studio works in a studio.

There is one slight complication: "BBC Studios at Television Centre" is the collective name for studios operated by BBC Studioworks for companies including BBC Studios. So, by the end of the year, we will have a BBC Studios Production made at BBC Studioworks' BBC Studios. Hope that's clear.
BenMacDonald, MarkT76 and UKnews gave kudos
PE
peprice


Here is the clean balloon closedown sequence (without the last announcement though)

http://beohm.com/identica/uk/BBC1Balloon_Anthem.mp4


The picture editor who cut 1 Canada Square's strobe to the cymbal crash should stand up and take a bow.
ID
Identity
Jon posted:
Not sure I’d agree with that. The hippos for example probably the most memorable in the package it not only really well, it is quirky and gives the viewer something they wouldn’t normally see. The package ties the brand well together and gives a lot of appropriate options for the different type of programming that makes up BBC One.


I miss the circles and the music Sad
VM
VMPhil
I was just watching the original 2006 versions of the idents, and it reminded me how superior those original soundtracks were to what came after 2009. I think those new soundtracks and the bad edits are what made me less of a fan of that set.
JO
Jonny
Ah yes, back in the days when the BBC could rebrand competently.
JV
James Vertigan Founding member

The picture editor who cut 1 Canada Square's strobe to the cymbal crash should stand up and take a bow.


It would be interesting to know how old that particular recording of the National Anthem is, seeing as it was used on BBC One for so many years before the News Channel came along in 1997 then of course up to the present day it gets a daily airing on Radio 4 at handover to the World Service. It's definitely the same recording, no doubt it's been transferred to many formats over the years as technology has progressed!
BA
Bail Moderator
I caught the end of The Boss on BBC One daytime last week, and was surprised to see it credited as a BBC Studios production. Aren't most BBC game shows made by indies now? Or does BBC Studios now count as an indie?

I think the "BBC" no longer exists... BBC Studios make the programmes (for the BBC and for hire now thats why it's all under the BBC Studios banner), Ericsson formerly Red Bee formerly BBC Broadcast do the second B in the broadcasting... Every other department is it's own thing, BBC Global News, BBC Worldwide, BBC Studioworks, BBC Workplace I'm not sure the "BBC" alone does anything now?
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Inspector Sands
Or does BBC Studios now count as an indie?

No, as it's not independent of a broadcaster
Bail posted:

I think the "BBC" no longer exists... BBC Studios make the programmes (for the BBC and for hire now thats why it's all under the BBC Studios banner), Ericsson formerly Red Bee formerly BBC Broadcast do the second B in the broadcastin
Every other department is it's own thing, BBC Global News, BBC Worldwide, BBC Studioworks, BBC Workplace I'm not sure the "BBC" alone does anything now?

There's still lots of central functions and departments that are part of the 'BBC' and not seperate entities - the management and day to day running of the radio and TV channels, engineering, all the online stuff for example.


Some functions have come in-house in the last couple of years from both Ericsson and Atos. Ericsson's responsibilities in playout are much less than before and Atos are now just doing IT and no broadcast functions
GM
nodnirG kraM
Bail posted:
I caught the end of The Boss on BBC One daytime last week, and was surprised to see it credited as a BBC Studios production. Aren't most BBC game shows made by indies now? Or does BBC Studios now count as an indie?

I think the "BBC" no longer exists... BBC Studios make the programmes (for the BBC and for hire now thats why it's all under the BBC Studios banner), Ericsson formerly Red Bee formerly BBC Broadcast do the second B in the broadcasting... Every other department is it's own thing, BBC Global News, BBC Worldwide, BBC Studioworks, BBC Workplace I'm not sure the "BBC" alone does anything now?

What about BBC Me?
VM
VMPhil
I was just watching the original 2006 versions of the idents, and it reminded me how superior those original soundtracks were to what came after 2009. I think those new soundtracks and the bad edits are what made me less of a fan of that set.

I’ve been giving this some further thought.

When the circles launched they had beautiful cinematography and soundtracks, but long form-ups that the continuity announcers tended to talk over before the logo even appeared.

Then in 2009 the idents were cut to bits so the logo could appear right at the start but ruining the execution of the circle animation appearing over an actual circle, introducing naff replacement soundtracks and generally looking a bit poor in comparison.

So, considering that the originals were beautiful but too long, and the edits were shorter but ruined the story or cinematography, I wonder: were they fit for purpose as idents in the first place? Maybe they were just too far from the traditional idea of an ident to work day in day out before each programme. Less of an ident and more of a short film (certainly in the case of Mission Control and Helicopter, the former particularly ruined by the re-editing)

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