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"Watch this space" as BBC Creative respond to ident change request (December 2016)

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Wicko
Wicko posted:
And why has Mountain Rescue been dropped? Questions, questions, questions!


It was shown three times yesterday Wink - before Crimewatch Roadshow, A&E on the Road, and The One Show.


Oh,thanks for that info. So, just sea swimmers and exercise class have gone then.
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A former member
And whilst I'm not particularly fond of many of them, I'd happily see Skaters disappear. There's something about the laugh of the girl with her hands in her pockets that niggles...
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Rex
Wicko posted:
After half a year gone and half a year of "Oneness", I am baffled as to why the falling O of 2016 is still in play. How do you guys feel about the idents now? Have they grown on you? Are they improving with each new one? And why has Mountain Rescue been dropped? Questions, questions, questions!

Time flies pretty quickly doesn’t it?

The falling ‘o’ motif has only been used on shows that are likely to create the biggest impact for BBC ONE, of course. The only issue it would create is a lack of consistency - but it is still slightly effective.

As for the Oneness idents, they’re still dull of course, but I’m more surprised to see the staggering contrast between some idents. Night Kayakers, for instance; works to Parr’s advantage - thanks in part to the beautiful lighting and water reflections. Others, like Tandem Cyclists and Allotment Holders, feel desolate and unnatural in their delivery. Some, like Bog Snorkellers, take the set towards quirky territory. The core aspect of the idents hasn’t improved much though.

Perhaps it’s worth noting that the Oneness idents haven’t entered into the public consciousness - and in the process, while they’re still dire, most including myself are past caring of course - since we’re now used to it.

Worthless speculation on my part - the Oneness tagline doesn’t look like it will remain a focal point of BBC ONE branding. It hasn’t been promoted heavily with promos, and special idents have done away with the tag. One Love Manchester was a perfect opportunity to utilise Oneness at its full potential, but even that didn’t pop up. It’s beginning to look as if that BBC Creative has written it off completely - partly because initial public perception was not on their side.

Then there is the fact that they’re churning out these idents every month, for example, 2, or even as far as 5. While it does create some semblance of variety - in the long term, if they’re really planning to keep this set beyond this year, it will be a struggle to keep the Oneness ident set fresh (the partnership with Parr and BBC Creative is only for a year).

Thirdly, while there’s nothing concrete regarding this, a new BBC corporate font (BBC Reith) is being prepped to replace Gill Sans. Part of the reason for its development - more suitable for mobile devices, and saves money from licencing other fonts, such as Helvetica. I’d be all up for a singular font that addresses consistency.

A long post, but it sums up my thoughts on the matter.
DP
D.Page
Wicko posted:
Wicko posted:
And why has Mountain Rescue been dropped? Questions, questions, questions!


It was shown three times yesterday Wink - before Crimewatch Roadshow, A&E on the Road, and The One Show.


Oh,thanks for that info. So, just sea swimmers and exercise class have gone then.


It's just too early to conclude anything has been shelved. It's completely predictable the early ones (especially as the first two have proved so unpopular) will be used very sparingly.

There's something about the laugh of the girl with her hands in her pockets that niggles...


I don't get what you're trying to say.
TE
tesandco Founding member
When I last checked a few days ago, the Swimmers were still present as one of the idents in the red HD holding loop too. Whilst it may not be a regular ident playout, it means it's still technically being broadcast several times daily somewhere on BBC One!

Personally I've found some of the newer ones just as elusive mind. How often does Bhangra appear now for example (one for Andrew or D.Page, with the constantly running recordings you seem to have in place)?
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D.Page
When I last checked a few days ago, the Swimmers were still present as one of the idents in the red HD holding loop too. Whilst it may not be a regular ident playout, it means it's still technically being broadcast several times daily somewhere on BBC One!

Personally I've found some of the newer ones just as elusive mind. How often does Bhangra appear now for example (one for Andrew or D.Page, with the constantly running recordings you seem to have in place)?


As I compare each days' captures (for length, and 'cleanliness' of soundtrack) with my archive and just retain my longest and cleanest copies in an ongoing process, I don't have a precise record of how often a given ident appears. I can only give you an estimation based on my recollection of how often I've seen it. Bhangra is certainly used (on Network, at least) every now and then, about as often as Cavers I would say. I noticed Bhangra this morning. You can, by all means, refer to me as Darren. No need for any formality Wink

Yes, myself and Andrew both capture on an ongoing basis, but we differ in our approach. Andrew encompasses a multitude of channels, whereas I concentrate only on the channels whose presentation interests me, namely BBC1 and BBC2, and I also make particular efforts to capturing all BBC2 NI junctions as I am such a fan of the 90s idents and we all know Northern Ireland have made the most tremendous effort in giving us fans pretty much as much as they are able to provide. I go to (some might say) far-reaching lengths to try to capture all respective idents in as long a length and as clean as I can. That's not to criticize how Andrew does things for one moment. He is running a (very well put together) website which encompasses many channels and as such, he, perhaps, has to sacrifice trying to acquire long length and/or clean copies.
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A former member
I to look for longer versions of ident aswell, mainly in the hunt for those awful stings. Scotland seems to not like certain ones. I've notice that ie network uses newer while Scotland uses moutian or rugby etc. It tends to be manually when I get the chance, but bhangra gets used mainly before more liter programmes while caves and the best one is uses at night and more more serious stuff. I have seen water ones appear at any time.
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A former member
Personally I've found some of the newer ones just as elusive mind. How often does Bhangra appear now for example (one for Andrew or D.Page, with the constantly running recordings you seem to have in place)?


Constant recordings? Only on some days! It all depends on where I'm concentrating my searches. (It can be fun when recording entire multiplexes over four tuners, so over 30 channels to check through - especially at Christmas)

As Darren has correctly said, I'm covering a wider base, and whilst I still keep an eye and ear out for the longer, cleaner playouts where possible, I am when it comes down to it restricted in what I can achieve.
WI
Wicko
Personally I've found some of the newer ones just as elusive mind. How often does Bhangra appear now for example (one for Andrew or D.Page, with the constantly running recordings you seem to have in place)?


Constant recordings? Only on some days! It all depends on where I'm concentrating my searches. (It can be fun when recording entire multiplexes over four tuners, so over 30 channels to check through - especially at Christmas)

As Darren has correctly said, I'm covering a wider base, and whilst I still keep an eye and ear out for the longer, cleaner playouts where possible, I am when it comes down to it restricted in what I can achieve.


Not good enough Andrew! You should be spending every minute of every day recording TV pres from every single channel. After all,why on earth would you need a life?! Very Happy
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A former member
Cheers, Wicko! It does feel like that at times Wink
CG
Charlie Gough
Am I right in saying Duncan Newmarch is leaving his BBC One duties this weekend?

His final announcement appears to be before the Doctor Who finale, tonight at 6:30pm...


AE
Aerial
I think it'll be his "final" announcement, before his next one. 😉 Just a bit of fun.

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