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"Watch this space" as BBC Creative respond to ident change request (December 2016)

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Worzel
Watching BBC ONE Scotland's closing last night, after being treated to a reasonably long Birdwatchers ident, a near 60' BBC News countdown took the channel up to the hour. My question is, though, would the countdown have been played from Glasgow? The only reason for asking is that Robert Peston was still shown in it, and I'm not up to date on who's in and out of it currently.



Just sums everything up really. Rubbish ident into an out of date BBC News countdown. Some would say 'but who really cares' - but that's not really the point.
BA
Bail Moderator
LL
Larry the Loafer
At least Lorraine defended herself and the package... I remember growing tired of the dancers at the time. Just goes to show how a decent presentation package can be tainted by both an initial fear of change, and then mere overexposure. Hindsight is a funny old thing. I'd love to see how we look back at these monstrosities in fifteen years.
WO
Worzel
At least Lorraine defended herself and the package... I remember growing tired of the dancers at the time. Just goes to show how a decent presentation package can be tainted by both an initial fear of change, and then mere overexposure. Hindsight is a funny old thing. I'd love to see how we look back at these monstrosities in fifteen years.


I suspect in 15 years time traditional linear TV will have been or just start to be phased out and everyone will be watching via On Demand boxes. No need for idents then, just short stings.
WO
Worzel
Bail posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1zLdLPPQ7I


I like Lorraine's line 'The time between the programmes is important to us'. It's just a shame that in 2017, it isn't.
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MM
MMcG198
I suspect in 15 years time traditional linear TV will have been or just start to be phased out and everyone will be watching via On Demand boxes. No need for idents then, just short stings.


I think it's very premature to make the assumption that linear will be phased out. Personally, I can't see that happening. I believe there will always be a place for TV channels in the way we know them today, operating a daily schedule of programmes. The means of receiving those channels may evolve - for example, TV transmitters may eventually disappear and we'd receive channels via the internet.
DB
dbl
At least Lorraine defended herself and the package... I remember growing tired of the dancers at the time. Just goes to show how a decent presentation package can be tainted by both an initial fear of change, and then mere overexposure. Hindsight is a funny old thing. I'd love to see how we look back at these monstrosities in fifteen years.

No need for idents then, just short stings.

But stings/bumpers in some countries are idents. It's the practise of having voiceovers ontop of idents that have made them longer, you'll only need to look at classic British telly to see that most idents weren't longer than 10 seconds.
DP
D.Page
I suspect in 15 years time traditional linear TV will have been or just start to be phased out and everyone will be watching via On Demand boxes. No need for idents then, just short stings.


I think it's very premature to make the assumption that linear will be phased out. Personally, I can't see that happening. I believe there will always be a place for TV channels in the way we know them today, operating a daily schedule of programmes. The means of receiving those channels may evolve - for example, TV transmitters may eventually disappear and we'd receive channels via the internet.


Let's hope so. Things have changed considerably enough in my lifetime. I remember when J.R. was shot, people were coming out of their houses looking at each other, even people they hardly knew, in shock. Nowadays, with the fragmented nature of TV, i.e. the hundreds of available channels, sadly, those occasions where scores of millions all watching the same programme at the same time have long gone.
DP
D.Page
dbl posted:
...you'll only need to look at classic British telly to see that most idents weren't longer than 10 seconds.

Most of the globes were as long a length as they needed to be Very Happy
DB
dbl
dbl posted:
...you'll only need to look at classic British telly to see that most idents weren't longer than 10 seconds.

Most of the globes were as long a length as they needed to be Very Happy

Excluding BBC style Wink
VM
VMPhil
Speaking of the globes. I've always wondered if the equipment that ran them was on as long as possible. For example, was the COW machine always running in case it needed to be shown? Whereas I believe the 1991 globe was played out from LaserDisc. How quickly could that have been put on air?
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denton
The BBC NI laser disc, when I used it to play out the balloons, was simply a source on the mixer which could be manually cut to instantly (or more likely programmed into the desk's event memory).

Though, before you'd have done that, you'd pick which balloon symbol you wanted to play... by pressing the corresponding number on the control panel on the desk. The control panel could also be used to play and reset the symbol... or you could use the cue button under the symbol source on the mixer, or the one under the cut button/paddle, to play it.

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