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A former member
Chris has two thing going for him, He knows his cars and he is a P**** just like the old presenter.
TL
TalentLover1987
You're quoting three shows that are shown at peak time Saturday night, two of which aren't even reboots. A figure of 5.1m isn't much more than the "low" figure Top Gear got, and the figure you quote for Still Open All Hours was from Boxing Day, where even the viewing figures for the weather forecasts multiply. Also bear in mind that, in the last five years, Clarkson's TG's highest series average was 6.5m. A loss of 2m viewers for what is still a relatively niche show with such a divided opinion on BBC Two on a warm bank holiday weekend really isn't as bad as you're trying to imply.
A million more is a lot. Also: they are all reboots. The Eleventh Hour was the start of the Steven Moffat era of Doctor Who, Britain's Got Talent 2011 saw all judges apart from Amanda Holden leave and a new set take over, X Factor 2011 saw all new judges apart from Louis Walsh, X Files 2016 was a reboot of the original X Files and Still Open All Hours a reboot of Open All Hours.
Still Open All Hours may have been Boxing Day but BD is no Christmas Day. In terms of Clarkson, Hammond and May if they had been a show rebooting in 2016 I would expect them to do more than 4.3 million too. Chris Evans even said himself anything below 5 million is a failure.
Top Gear wasn't niche under Clarkson, Hammond and May but it is under Chris Evans and was during pre-Clarkson Top Gear.
This isnt a reboot in any sense... Nor is anything else your listed.
You have no understanding of Television, and that coming form someone like me! You just unhappy Clarkson who was on his third WARNING got the sack.
IF top gear get just 1million viewers put the BBC still get the big bucks from around the world the show will continue.
You say I have 'no understanding of television' yet you say the Moffat era of Doctor Who and the recent X Files revival aren't reboots?
Britain's Got Talent and X Factor are more debatable (in my view they are reboots) but Moffat era Doctor Who and 2016 X Files are definitely both reboots. As is the new Top Gear. It's supposed to be a new era of the show - new presenters, new style/a few changes that wouldn't have been made otherwise etc....
DA
I say it too, if that helps.
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
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You say I have 'no understanding of television'
I say it too, if that helps.
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yet you say the Moffat era of Doctor Who and the recent X Files revival aren't reboots?
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
VM
Or leave it where it is and when there are viewing figures available put out a "you see, moving BBC Three online did work" press release.
It can still premiere on BBC Three as it does now, on Sunday at 9pm. Then have a repeat sometime later in the week on BBC Two. It doesn't have to become a BBC Two show.
I I think it might get a wider audience (rather than just the hardcore TG audience) if it had an airing sometime during the week on BBC Two, perhaps early evening in the same way as It Takes Two.
Or leave it where it is and when there are viewing figures available put out a "you see, moving BBC Three online did work" press release.
It can still premiere on BBC Three as it does now, on Sunday at 9pm. Then have a repeat sometime later in the week on BBC Two. It doesn't have to become a BBC Two show.
IS
You know a lot about Dr Who....
The Eleventh Hour was the start of the Steven Moffat era of Doctor Who
You know a lot about Dr Who....
LL
London Lite
Founding member
I have a feeling TalentLover1987 will be exterminated for the third time soon.
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TalentLover1987
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You say I have 'no understanding of television'
I say it too, if that helps.
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yet you say the Moffat era of Doctor Who and the recent X Files revival aren't reboots?
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
LL
I say it too, if that helps.
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
Don't you mean revamp?
London Lite
Founding member
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You say I have 'no understanding of television'
I say it too, if that helps.
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yet you say the Moffat era of Doctor Who and the recent X Files revival aren't reboots?
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
Don't you mean revamp?
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A former member
I say it too, if that helps.
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
Don't you mean revamp?
I dont think he wants to listen...
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In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning
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I say it too, if that helps.
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
Sorry, wrong! Moving on...
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You say I have 'no understanding of television'
I say it too, if that helps.
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yet you say the Moffat era of Doctor Who and the recent X Files revival aren't reboots?
They're not reboots. They are not what a reboot is. A reboot would have seen new actors playing Mulder and Scully and meeting for the first time. X Files 2016 is a continuation, and in fact is much closer to a continuation than Moffat-era Doctor Who , which came only a few months after Tennant left. As for Doctor Who itself, it really didn't change as much as everyone thinks it did (it's amazing what switching to HD and a slightly higher shutter speed can you convince you of, isn't it?). It went through far bigger season-to-season changes in the 70s and 80s than it did in 2011.
A new set and losing one judge from a talent show certainly does not make a reboot. It's barely a re fresh .
Then there's the fact you grab a few ratings at random and use them to declare Top Gear a failure, showing you have absolutely no understanding of how different shows attract different audiences. I'd say you're comparing apples to oranges, but I've never liked that phrase as apples and oranges have a lot similarities. You're comparing apples to sofas.
Reboots is exactly what they are. They are new eras, fresh takes on the shows. Even BGT and The X Factor are because new judges changes the show considerably and pulls it in a new direction prior to the previous one.
There's a reason why people call these examples things like the Steven Moffat era, the 2016 reboot (X Files), the Michael McIntyre era (BGT) and the Gary Barlow era (X Factor).
Sorry, wrong! Moving on...