BR
Not sure what the deal is with Teletext - they share a mux with ITV and C4, which is generally seen to be a 50/50 split between the two services.
Not sure how much space a text service takes - or if Teletext on ITV will utilise space currently not used for an ITV text service or take over from the service on Ch 9. It might even be possible that it's the same service as on C4 (except the C4 pages!), just with different branding.
Hopefully the introduction of Teletext on ITV will lead to improvements with Teletext on 4 and both services having the core pages. The Ch 9 service should then be a Teletext + type service and include extras such as features, the complete TV guide, etc.
Going back on topic - I think the new channel will be from an outsider - and probably a shopping channel. I can't see ITV or C4 willing to bid for it as it'll devalue their case for an additional multiplex. And as for E4 going free-to-air, C4 say it's a possibility, but unlikely. Also, Five have said today plans for a new channel are now looking like a distant possibility.
I've stated before the current split of the multiplexes is completly unfair, see: Freeview: Multiplex shake up . If the BBC having four times as much space for their services as their main rivals isn't anti-competitive, what is?
Not sure how much space a text service takes - or if Teletext on ITV will utilise space currently not used for an ITV text service or take over from the service on Ch 9. It might even be possible that it's the same service as on C4 (except the C4 pages!), just with different branding.
Hopefully the introduction of Teletext on ITV will lead to improvements with Teletext on 4 and both services having the core pages. The Ch 9 service should then be a Teletext + type service and include extras such as features, the complete TV guide, etc.
Going back on topic - I think the new channel will be from an outsider - and probably a shopping channel. I can't see ITV or C4 willing to bid for it as it'll devalue their case for an additional multiplex. And as for E4 going free-to-air, C4 say it's a possibility, but unlikely. Also, Five have said today plans for a new channel are now looking like a distant possibility.
I've stated before the current split of the multiplexes is completly unfair, see: Freeview: Multiplex shake up . If the BBC having four times as much space for their services as their main rivals isn't anti-competitive, what is?
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tvtwintrees
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There is talk of Disne taking the space for ABC1 to extend their hours. Although a great channel ABC1 is, I think Sky One could be a good choice to fill the free space.
AJ
I seriously doubt that Sky One will ever make it to Freeview as:
1. it's a major selling point for Sky.
2. they own pay tv rights - so a lot of rights renegotiations would be required
3. what would the benefit be for sky? more viewers possibly, but i'm sure they'd make more money from attracting subscribers to Sky Digital
tvtwintrees posted:
There is talk of Disne taking the space for ABC1 to extend their hours. Although a great channel ABC1 is, I think Sky One could be a good choice to fill the free space.
I seriously doubt that Sky One will ever make it to Freeview as:
1. it's a major selling point for Sky.
2. they own pay tv rights - so a lot of rights renegotiations would be required
3. what would the benefit be for sky? more viewers possibly, but i'm sure they'd make more money from attracting subscribers to Sky Digital
LO
anyone remember the rumours about GBTV coming to freeview????
i hope it doesnt though as it sounds crap!!!
i think theres a website somewhere that has a chart of rumoured channels, think its called unsatisfactory software or something like that
i hope it doesnt though as it sounds crap!!!
i think theres a website somewhere that has a chart of rumoured channels, think its called unsatisfactory software or something like that
MU
http://homepages.enterprise.net/cavan/scripts/dtt/dtt.cgi
Didn't expect that to be a real list! Unsatisfactory Software are more known for their CSS Crap Game Competition entries to me.
Didn't expect that to be a real list! Unsatisfactory Software are more known for their CSS Crap Game Competition entries to me.
NE
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Not sure how much space a text service takes - or if Teletext on ITV will utilise space currently not used for an ITV text service or take over from the service on Ch 9.
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Teletext on channel 9 takes up 3% of the mux and teletext on 4 is considerably less than that.
Not sure how much space a text service takes - or if Teletext on ITV will utilise space currently not used for an ITV text service or take over from the service on Ch 9.
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Teletext on channel 9 takes up 3% of the mux and teletext on 4 is considerably less than that.
LO
i actually think a cheap entertainment channel will get the slot. all those rumours on that site and rumours in the DS news have shown nation 217,sound tv and some shopping channels have been wanting space for ages.
personally id love to see a channel such as fx come to freeview
personally id love to see a channel such as fx come to freeview
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tvtwintrees
Founding member
OK, my idea of Sky One was poorly thought. How about a channel like Challenge or British Eurosport?
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tvtwintrees
Founding member
OK, my idea of Sky One was poorly thought. How about a channel like Challenge or British Eurosport?
CW
Not necessarily. If all they were doing is racking up the compression so that they could fit an extra stream in, then ITV NC would never have left. What they are doing is replacing old (mid-90's) kit with newer stuff. It's not that MPEG2 can't be compressed more without loosing picture quality, it's that the older encoders can't compress any more in real time without sacrificing picture quality. Newer encoders allow for much more efficient real time encoding, which will allow the streams to be more compressed at no reduction in quality (indeed, it's not entirely out of the question that a slight improvement in quality might happen as a result of this.
Indeed, the problem with digital TV is that what is considered to be an acceptable picture quality is often entirely inadequate, leading to a situation where good analogue reception is often preferable to digital. It's not the system, it's the way that it's been implemented in this country.
cwathen
Founding member
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Doesn't that mean further loss of picture quality?
Not necessarily. If all they were doing is racking up the compression so that they could fit an extra stream in, then ITV NC would never have left. What they are doing is replacing old (mid-90's) kit with newer stuff. It's not that MPEG2 can't be compressed more without loosing picture quality, it's that the older encoders can't compress any more in real time without sacrificing picture quality. Newer encoders allow for much more efficient real time encoding, which will allow the streams to be more compressed at no reduction in quality (indeed, it's not entirely out of the question that a slight improvement in quality might happen as a result of this.
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They say the futures digital, but sometimes you get a better ITV picture on analogue.
Indeed, the problem with digital TV is that what is considered to be an acceptable picture quality is often entirely inadequate, leading to a situation where good analogue reception is often preferable to digital. It's not the system, it's the way that it's been implemented in this country.