Ok, so the bug didn't really blow up TVC, but I wish it would blow up 'dick and dom' they are rubbish, missing ques, forgetting program names, look at people behind the camera AGHH
Nice look thow, shame the buggred up the brekky studio.
EDIT: I was just thinking, can anoyone on digital, tell me what happnes on CBBC after 7pm? Is there a testcard on till the moring or what? do they have a closedown?
But very many school teachers do, and yes they do record programmes at home.
But there is absolutely no point in running schools programmes during school hours unless they are going to be watched live or recorded at school. When BBC Choice and Knowledge close down at 2AM, the space allocated to it doesn't magically disappear - they could run schools programmes then for teachers to record, merge Cbeebies and CBBC into one channel, and bring back the only stimulating thing ever to make it onto daytime TV. It was a better public service to have stimulating programming during daytime than it is two have two childrens channels running at the same time when usually only one of their target audiences will be around at any one and so I think there is a very strong case for them to be merged into one channel.
I think part of the reason why they had two channels (and why they're relaunching choice and knowledge) is so they can say that they launched 4 new channels this year. It'll look better in their annual report than saying they only launched 1, which is all they needed to do really (and even that was allready catered for on BBC Choice, but I do think the CBBC channel is a better arrangement, simply because Kids are more likely to find it, especially on the unweildy Sky EPG).
Bail on 6:28 pm on Feb. 12, 2002
EDIT: I was just thinking, can anoyone on digital, tell me what happnes on CBBC after 7pm? Is there a testcard on till the moring or what? do they have a closedown?
They go blank for a minute, then CBBC shows a 'BBC CHoice starts at 7caption' and CBeebies shows a BBC Knowledge caption, then at 7 they turn into Choice and Knowledge (and move back to the old EPG numbers) as the channels use the same bandwidth. On NTL when the CBBC channels are on air, C&N are unaccesablle, and when C&N are on air, you can't access the CBBC channels. Yoy can look at the listings on the browse and in the TV guide, but you can't select them.
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james2001 on 10:12 pm on Feb. 12, 2002
[They go blank for a minute, then CBBC shows a 'BBC CHoice starts at 7caption' and CBeebies shows a BBC Knowledge caption, then at 7 they turn into Choice and Knowledge (and move back to the old EPG numbers) as the channels use the same bandwidth. On NTL when the CBBC channels are on air, C&N are unaccesablle, and when C&N are on air, you can't access the CBBC channels. Yoy can look at the listings on the browse and in the TV guide, but you can't select them.
On my NTL while CBBC and CBeebies are on air Choice and Knowledge are just black screens (and vice versa). How come today after CBBC finished Choice didn't come on for at least 15 minutes afterwards - and in the tv guide it said Liquid News was on at 7:00? Also did anyone notice the BBC Choice DOG that appeared yesterday on CBBC, on the end credits of See How they run? (good programme - that) It lasted about 2 seconds before being replaced again!
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cwathen on 10:05 pm on Feb. 12, 2002[brI think part of the reason why they had two channels (and why they're relaunching choice and knowledge) is so they can say that they launched 4 new channels this year
benjiman on 10:32 pm on Feb. 12, 2002
On my NTL while CBBC and CBeebies are on air Choice and Knowledge are just black screens (and vice versa). How come today after CBBC finished Choice didn't come on for at least 15 minutes afterwards - and in the tv guide it said Liquid News was on at 7:00?
Choice & Knowledge appear on DTT prompt at 6.58 with lovely extended idents - BBC Knowledge tonight opened with an unadulterated 47 seconds of ident without voiceover - great ident, and a rather nice soundtrack to go with it! Shame it'll be disappearing in less than three weeks.
The way things are going, they'll only be launching three - the government have once again asked for 'more information' about the plans for BBC Three
Again why I think it's stupid to be launching BBC Four first (or for not at least considering the possibility of renaming BBC Four to BBC Three. Yes it may cause some confusion at first, but it would soon die down and become clear what is what). Lets say it is a year away - or never before BBC Three joins it? It will look silly to have BBC One, BBC Two and then a jump to BBC Four.
Surely extending the line numerically is pointless if there are any gaps?
Do the beeb need permission to rename a channel? Is it possible that they could rename BBC Choice to BBC Three (or some silly halfway house name like BBC Three: Choice), and then replace that with the real BBC Three when/if it is accepted?
I can't help feeling that unless they can get a definate guarantee that BBC Three will launch, at the latest, within a couple of months of BBC Four, it will be silly and if BBC Three never gets accepted, they will end up having to turn BBC Four into something else.
And whilst we're at it, why wasn't BBC Three accepted as readily as the other three channels? How can the government drag their heals over Three, but at the same time allow them to have two childrens channels when it is highly dubious whether they need more than one? Or allow them to relaunch Knowledge when it is again very questionable whether that needs doing?
I don't see that any of the new channels will cause people to change to digital: certainly when I was young I used to pester my parents to get Sky so I could proudly invite my friends round to see channels that didn't have BBC, ITV or C4 anywhere on them. If CBBC channel was around when I was within their target age range, I would probably end up watching CBBC sometimes, I may even end up preferring it to the others and make it my main childrens channel, but it wasn't for the likes of TCC and Nickelodeon I wouldn't ever have gone on at my parents to get Sky in the first place (and yes I think a lot of Sky/ITV Dig/Cable installations are still done mainly as a result of persistant nagging from kids to get Sky because 'everyone has it now').
I don't see that ANY BBC Channels are going to encourage people to go digital. Yes of course the beeb should expand onto digital platforms, and yes of course their new channels will be popular and watched, but it would seem almost fact that when most people talk about the possibility of them 'upgrading' to digital and mention the extra channels they'll be able to watch, you'll be hearing 'Sky One', 'MTV', 'Nickelodeon', 'Sky Sports' etc. I've never heard one person get excited about having digital TV because they'll be able to watch BBC Choice or ITV2 or News 24.
BBC and ITV are heavily associated with 'normal telly' and therefore simply won't excite to the same extent as 'Sky Channels'. That is never going to end.
The point i'm trying to make is that the beeb will surely have a very tough time convincing the government that Three will encourage people to go digital, because as long as digital TV is ruled by pay TV (and while the FTA digital box will help, it won't really ever change until it reaches the stage when your £99 from argos portable TV is digital, and that could be a long way off), a channel with 'BBC' on it won't be the primary reason for many people to change, so the government might aswell stop dragging their heals and let the beeb get on with replacing Choice, and hopefully (for a time at least) we might get a better channel out of them than Choice is now.
(Edited by cwathen at 11:47 pm on Feb. 12, 2002)
(Edited by cwathen at 11:52 pm on Feb. 12, 2002)
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cwathen on 11:35 pm on Feb. 12, 2002
Again why I think it's stupid to be launching BBC Four first (or for not at least considering the possibility of renaming BBC Four to BBC Three.
But, aside from causing mass confusion inside the BBC, wouldn't renaming BBC4 to BBC3 give the impression that they have given up on the idea of getting BBC3 approved at all? To stick with the BBC4 name indicates that they are still fully confident that BBC3 will be approved, and not let the relatively trivial matter of there being a gap in the numbering for a couple of months get in the way.
Well it would have been a couple of months if the useless Tessa Jowell and her shambolic Department of Culture etc had given the go-ahead this time round. But despite the BBC having made a strong case for the channel in the consultation document, and been into minute detail about target audiences and programming, she's still asking for 'more information'. This is turning into a complete shambles; it's obvious that Ms Jowell does not understand anything about broadcasting and is not fit to be in her job.
RW on 9:48 am on Feb. 13, 2002
This is turning into a complete shambles; it's obvious that Ms Jowell does not understand anything about broadcasting and is not fit to be in her job.
RW on 9:48 am on Feb. 13, 2002
This is turning into a complete shambles; it's obvious that Ms Jowell does not understand anything about broadcasting and is not fit to be in her job.
Well, her reaction to Brass Eye showed us that!
Did she (and the media), actually see the show?!, oh the irony of their reaction!
Anyway it is a shambles, and although I havn't read the full proposals (i've got better things to do, like picking the middle out of jaffa cakes), but from the general jist of it, THREE was one of the most original ideas from the set, and the original proposals were even more original.
Anyway CBBC! Not having digital I havn't felt the loss of channels or gained from the introduction of new ones, but it does seam a little OTT, they could just combine the channels, simulcast Breakfast and Afternoon CBBC, and (for now atleast) launch 5LIVE tv (its my idea and I LOVE it!) on the day on BBC FOUR, and then when space dictates split them down into seperate channels.
Anyway, the studios look great, and they idents are better than before, also i'm impressed (atleast by the look) of the programming on CBBC, they have put alot of effort into it and its vastly different to other childrens channels.
Also the new look newsround is fantastic, great studio, graphics and music, the info bar could be shrunk a bit, but for children could give useful info.
Overall good, they've excelled with what they wanted to do, but did they want to do the right thing!
