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New BBC Three DOG

(August 2005)

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CW
cwathen Founding member
I have to say that the quoted page from bbc.co.uk reads rather more like something from foxnews.com. It's position is deliberately talking down to the complainants rather than seriously addressing their grievance...even though these people contribute to the BBC through the licence fee as much as everyone else and so deserve to have their opinions taken seriously.

And then they resorted to falling on to the old stand by; 'there are worse things going on in the world than oversized channel DOGs, so get a life'. Of course neither myself nor any sane person would dare to compare other world issues with BBC3 introducing their new huge DOG, but using the argument that because worse things are happening in the world, that that somehow means that their introduction of this monstrosity isn't a valid complaint is something which could be applied to virtually everything short of those situations.

I am somewhat beyond shocked that anything like this from the bbc.co.uk domain has ever been published - apart from anything else it just gives amunition to those who would complain about the BBC. And it doesn't alter the fact that the new BBC3 DOG is ridiculously inappropriate even when compared to the DOGs of most commercial channels, and is entirely the sort of thing which adds weight to the argument that it's time that the barbaric practice of requiring people to hold a licence for which a substantial annual fee is payable merely to operate a television set was removed.

You want people to value you as something beyond that which can be provided by commercial outlets BBC3, then you start defending your decisions like the rest of the BBC, not like Fox News.
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tvarksouthwest
Well let's analyse the complete guff that BBC3 has issued in its defence:

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For their part, broadcasters say the DOG is a vital method of channel identification in this multi-channel world, and an integral part of their branding strategy.

Translation: For their part, broadcasters say the DOG is a vital method of corporate cock-waving that serves no purpose to the viewers who are freely able to find out what they are watching by the simple press of a button.

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The argument goes that because there are now so many channels, viewers need all the help they can get navigating around their TV and identifying the channels they feel most at home with.

Isn't this why we have an EPG?

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And because everyone else is doing it, channel controllers say their hands are tied.

How lame. Just because someone else does something you don't have to do it. Because of this thinking, the EPG is chock-full of clone channels copying each other's ideas rather than making themselves stand out with their own strategies and programming.

This proves that, if anything, TV channels are being increasingly run by people who don't necessarily care about television; to them it is another business and their concern is making sure their "brand" makes its mark.
JA
james2001 Founding member
tvarksouthwest posted:
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And because everyone else is doing it, channel controllers say their hands are tied.

How lame. Just because someone else does something you don't have to do it.


Indeed. It sounds like something out of a school playground. "But he was doing it as well miss" sort of thing. At least int he playrgound,t he teacher says "if he jumped of a cliff, would you follow him?". That doesn't seem to exist in the media. It seems to be the case that if MTV jump off a cliff (as MTV seem to have been the first with all forms of graphical crap -including the DOG itself!), everyone else will follow.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Fortunately, it seems that the other onscreen text (such as "Comedy Tuesday" and so on) has been dropped. So just the DOG then.

Unfortunately, the "THREE" bit flips over now to reveal "Comedy Tuesday" towards the end of Little Angels. In its favour, it doesn't flip all the time.

Against it though, it's still far too bright and far too big. Plus it now tends to sit on the faces of the characters in the programmes. Little Britain seems badly affected by this.
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tvarksouthwest
james2001 posted:
[outMTV seem to have been the first with all forms of graphical crap -including the DOG itself!

And from where did MTV originate? The US of A! I rest my case.
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nwtv2003
tvarksouthwest posted:
james2001 posted:
[outMTV seem to have been the first with all forms of graphical crap -including the DOG itself!

And from where did MTV originate? The US of A! I rest my case.


Did MTV in the US remain DOG-less until sometime ago? As it was the main 6 Networks who started it first, then the cable channels.

TBH the new BBC Three DOG doesn't bother me, as it isn't that distracting and most of the good stuff on BBC Three is released on DVD or shown on BBC One or Two at a later point anyway.
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steddenm
james2001 posted:
Also I beleive MTV Europe was actually the first UK based channel to have a DOG!


BBC Select had a DOG top right late 80s/early 90s if I remember rightly.
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Adam
steddenm posted:
james2001 posted:
Also I beleive MTV Europe was actually the first UK based channel to have a DOG!


BBC Select had a DOG top right late 80s/early 90s if I remember rightly.


But BBC Select didn't start until 1991/2...
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A former member
I've just read the article on the Media Guardian site. Bascially the BBC Spokesman said it was editorially justified and wasn't mocking viewers at all.

What utter b******s! Twisted Evil
AW
a wiseman
nwtv2003 posted:
tvarksouthwest posted:
james2001 posted:
[outMTV seem to have been the first with all forms of graphical crap -including the DOG itself!

And from where did MTV originate? The US of A! I rest my case.


Did MTV in the US remain DOG-less until sometime ago? As it was the main 6 Networks who started it first, then the cable channels.


The first US channel to get a DOG was VH-1.

More here: AIGA - Wither the broadcast logo?
JA
james2001 Founding member
Still, it was a music channel, and that seems to prove my point.
AW
a wiseman
Just got this standard reply following my complaint about the BBC Three News website article on DOGs:

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Like its on-air counterpart, the BBC Three News website takes an
irreverent look at the stories making the headlines. The story on DOGS
was intended to be light-hearted and to encourage discussion on the
important issue of on-screen graphics. On reflection, we feel that we
did not quite achieve the right tone and apologise for the offence this
may have caused some of our users. For this reason we have decided to
remove the story from the website.


Despite my complaint having nothing to do with the original "offensive" article, it appears Auntie has had enough negative reaction over the article and has indded remove the page. Again.

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