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New BBC One North

But what is North? Manchester or Hull, Newcastle or Cumbria?

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BR
Brekkie
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.

The new "soap" style commissions sound like a change in direction for the worse - commissioning cheaper content to fill hours rather than the landmark drama series we've come to expect.
MA
Matrix
I think this is an interesting idea. I’m intrigued as to how much difference there’ll actually be between the network feed and the North one.

“After’t One Show it’s whippet racing live from Wigan with Dickie Bird”

I wonder if it’ll lead to some “rationalisation” of the nations at the same time?


I agree too. This isn't based from a position of insight, but if you did really want to differentiate BBC One North from other areas then I do think presentation will be key. Having Northern CAs will be nice, but a missed golden opportunity not to commission a series of regionally focused idents to really hit home the difference.

Personally, I think this is an important step. This is a national institution so I see it as only right that it reflects the whole nation in every aspect of its work.
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LL
London Lite Founding member
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the current network CA team will also do shifts on the northern version considering at least three of them are from the north of England.
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JO
Jon
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.

To be fair half all of television programmes are basically made in or about Cornwall. And there are still quite a few dramas from time to time made in Bristol, not to mention a favourite location of things like property programmes alongside all the nature and antiques programmes that are produced there.
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Jonwo
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.

The new "soap" style commissions sound like a change in direction for the worse - commissioning cheaper content to fill hours rather than the landmark drama series we've come to expect.


I imagine had the drama been set in Wales, you'd be praising it to the hilt....
SW
Steve Williams
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.


There are also additional resources going to Bristol, which on several recent Sundays has been responsible for three shows in a row on BBC1 (Countryfile, Attenborough, Antiques Roadshow). And all the regions are going HD, not just the Northern ones. So yes there are.
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commseng
If you think Humberside went a long time ago, Middlesex was abolished in 1965, but you tell the Post Office or the Cricket Club that!
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nwtv2003
And all the regions are going HD, not just the Northern ones. So yes there are.


To which it’s taken 12 years to implement! In all seriousness that’s good news for viewers as the HD services will get an instant boost from Day One, notably for the EPG swaps on Sky, and Freeview (as and when device dependent).

I’m not looking forwards to the Northern Oneness idents though...
BR
Brekkie
Jonwo posted:
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.

The new "soap" style commissions sound like a change in direction for the worse - commissioning cheaper content to fill hours rather than the landmark drama series we've come to expect.


I imagine had the drama been set in Wales, you'd be praising it to the hilt....

One of the dramas is bieng made in the nations. I think BBC Wales has been better served by higher quality drama series than BBC Scotland has by River City.
JO
Jonwo
Jonwo posted:
Surely the Westcountry is as important as the North East. I guess there are no plans to better serve the South outside of London.

The new "soap" style commissions sound like a change in direction for the worse - commissioning cheaper content to fill hours rather than the landmark drama series we've come to expect.


I imagine had the drama been set in Wales, you'd be praising it to the hilt....

One of the dramas is bieng made in the nations. I think BBC Wales has been better served by higher quality drama series than BBC Scotland has by River City.


River City isn't the only thing made for or by BBC Scotland. You have things like Shetland, The Victim and Guilt to name just three.
MK
Mr Kite
The same argument that people don't have anything in common with their neighbours is just as common in London where there's zero affinity between someone who lives in Croydon and another in Enfield as there is between the rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester.


Nothing personal but that right there is exactly the problem with diagnosing the North through a London/South East lense. It's also why we tend to get well-meaning but utterly wrong prescriptions.

Someone who lives in Croydon and someone who lives in Enfield are both Londoners. That's a big thing to have in common. They both go into central London for shopping, entertainment and, more often than not, employment.

Liverpool and Manchester are two of the next largest cities in the country which are fairly close to each other in a UK context but still very distinct. I live in Liverpool, shop in Liverpool and, back when we lived in a somewhat free society, socialised in Liverpool. I very rarely go to Manchester for anything.

And so, like itsrobert, I have to ask what do I have in common with York or Newcastle that I don't with, say, Birmingham, which is closer? Or, indeed, North Wales, which is right on our doorstep.

Ask anyone in Liverpool what could the BBC do to cover them better and no one, I repeat, NO ONE, will say more continuity announcements from Salford. Let's face it, even the Scotland/Wales/NI continuity is at least as much a political wheeze as a practical one.

And again, Liverpool, despite being one of the largest and culturally distinct cities in the country, is not in the national conversation, as per usual. It goes without saying that none of the boondoggles in terms of department relocations will be heading this way but rather to the same two or three favoured cities outside London. I've long come to expect nothing different there but come on: if they were remotely serious, they'd finally take a look at how Liverpool is accommodated for in the local news provision.

BBC North West is the largest region, household-wise in the country, after London. Liverpool people think it's too Manchester-centric, Manchester folk think Liverpool is featured too much and everyone north of Wigan feel they hear too much about both places. If they wanted to do something more like France 3 (comparing Picardy to the whole North of England is a joke) then they'd seriously look at a way of providing sub-opts, at least for Liverpool/Merseyside but perhaps also Lancashire. Similar perhaps should be done for Sheffield/South Yorkshire and I would say Scotland and perhaps Wales also.

Additionally, they should devolve all regional output, giving each region a set budget, removing the "English Regions" layer while they're at it. Then, each region decides its priorities, whether that be providing regional continuity, having two news anchors or commissioning a new look for the news without worrying about being forced to drop it within months by someone in London (or Birmingham) who wants it to look identical to equivalent programmes in other parts of the country.

All that would be truly transformative. Alas, this is no doubt merely a political wheeze. With a year or two, some overqualified fixer will likely come into the corporation to find savings and comes up with the novel idea of not having a separate BBC One for the North. And he/she will be able to retire comfortably due to coming up with such a genius idea.

Please excuse the long post and my cynicism.
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Parker
JAS84 posted:
To be fair, Radio Humberside launched three years before the county existed. Also, the police and fire service also still use the Humberside name.

That is exactly the misinformation problem that they send out. If you examine the facts The radio station was created to support the 'county' which was created to pay for Barbara Castles bridge, which was a political stunt to ensure McNamara was elected in West Hull, otherwise the Labour government at the time would have fallen..

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