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New BBC One North

But what is North? Manchester or Hull, Newcastle or Cumbria?

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JO
Jon
With Asian Network & Newsbeat moving to Birmingham, plus select Radio 1, 1Xtra & Radio 2 shows coming from outside of London. Also 6Music based up north, could R2 share the same floor as the others at the top of NHB?

Though the Asian Network already is mostly in Birmingham and a lot of 6 Music comes from Salford already - on a weekday I think it's only breakfast and afternoons from London (possibly late night too). It won't be that much of a change

Wasn’t some of the Asian Network still in Leicester? The East Midlands cities seems to be perhaps the biggest major omission from my scan of the document.
IS
Inspector Sands
Asa posted:
It's obviously hard to tell from one line in a document what "regional continuity" entails. At the moment it's individual regions doing the occasional opt-out by playing their programme/ident from their gallery isn't it? So presumably first thing would be a technical change for Salford to provide a northern channel, maybe slaved to Network in a similar set up to how the ITV regions work, rather than Nations who do their own schedule? And would this be 24/7, and branded? Seems a little strange to increase costs although I suppose it would be an announcer/director role, à la the Nations. Interesting to see how this works out.

It won't necessarily need an extra director/announcer, as you say it will likely just be an extra output of playout with a few differences.

Red Bee already have a prescence in Salford so if they wanted a local sounding voice that's fairly easy too.
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DV
DVB Cornwall
So by default rump BBC ONE becomes BBC ONE Midlands, South and Channel Islands.
SW
Steve Williams
So by default rump BBC ONE becomes BBC ONE Midlands, South and Channel Islands.


Well, no difference to Northern editions of newspapers. For a few years a decade or so ago the Northern edition of The Guardian was specifically branded as The Guardian North - but aside from different adverts, a jiggled around sports section and a few extra Nothern stories it was pretty much the same paper. But it was an obvious reminder that they were committed to the North. The same seems to be the case here.

When Central began, they did separate continuity for the East and West Midlands for a few years, even though they were introducing the same programmes 95% of the time. But it was a quick and effective way of emphasising it was a station for the whole of the Midlands.
PA
Parker
Pity they didn't keep Pebble Mill & renovate it would have been cheaper. £10 per year ground rent from the city council. BBC senior management at its best, not a bl**dy clue some of them Rolling Eyes Confused Why don't they LISTEN to what the programme makers need!
JO
Joe
Pity they didn't keep Pebble Mill & renovate it would have been cheaper. £10 per year ground rent from the city council. BBC senior management at its best, not a bl**dy clue some of them Rolling Eyes Confused Why don't they LISTEN to what the programme makers need!

Do you make programmes, then?
PA
Parker
Joe posted:
Pity they didn't keep Pebble Mill & renovate it would have been cheaper. £10 per year ground rent from the city council. BBC senior management at its best, not a bl**dy clue some of them Rolling Eyes Confused Why don't they LISTEN to what the programme makers need!

Do you make programmes, then?

Since you ask... Yes
OC
Otis Crump
Regional continuity is the big thing there.

So, RedBee Salford produce BBC One North which has opt outs for the Look Norths and NWT?


I'm never quite clear on what the deal is now - did Red Bee used to oversee BBC continuity, but then it was taken in house again by the BBC? (And so, continuity for the new BBC One North would be in house?)

Also, what is it regarding continuity that's based out of Salford now?
Last edited by Otis Crump on 18 March 2021 3:30pm
OV
Orry Verducci
Regional continuity is the big thing there.

So, RedBee Salford produce BBC One North which has opt outs for the Look Norths and NWT?


I'm never quite clear on what the deal is now - did Red Bee used to oversee BBC continuity, but then it was taken in house again by the BBC? (And so, continuity for the new BBC One North would be in house?)

Also, what is it regarding continuity that's based out of Salford now?

The continuity announcers are employed by the BBC, and as far as I know always have been, but work out of Red Bee's playout facilities. Red Bee also have another BBC staffer on site (can't remember their title) who can make presentation/programming decisions if they're required, for example if sport runs late.

Playout and continuity is shared between London and Salford now, with the channel's output switching between the two facilities at various times of the day.
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LL
London Lite Founding member
It looks like they want to regionalise the north as France 3 does. You have a group of larger regional areas with pan-regional programming, but then the news is at a sub-regional level. For example France 3 Normandie has pan-regional programming, but then the news continues to be split between upper and lower Normandy.
TE
Technologist
I think the answer is that BBC one England from Red Bee Salford
which currently runs most of the time in any case
Just runs a slighty different schedule from that in BBCone broadcast centre
with a northern CA in the evening and that is the sustaining feed to the three northern regions.
In Simoe terms a but replumbing as the sus feed goes HD and add a CA.
JO
Joe
Joe posted:
Pity they didn't keep Pebble Mill & renovate it would have been cheaper. £10 per year ground rent from the city council. BBC senior management at its best, not a bl**dy clue some of them Rolling Eyes Confused Why don't they LISTEN to what the programme makers need!

Do you make programmes, then?

Since you ask... Yes

Fair enough. But I have to ask - why should the programme makers be the only factor here? On the surface that seems mad, but a business is made of many parts.

If I was a chef, I’d obviously want a massive kitchen with all the equipment, a huge staff and a lovely garden to grow fresh produce. I’d be mad not to listen to my accountant who said I couldn’t make a profit with such a large rent, and my clientele who said they didn’t want fresh local produce but Mediterranean-grown ingredients. (That’s not a great example but you get me.)

There’s clearly a feeling that these changes are necessary on some level. You can’t just listen to one group, or there may not be a BBC to make programmes at before long.

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