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TonyCurrie
One reason it might have been done, I suspect, could be a fault with the normal STV ident slide.

Incidentally, when STV adopted the "thistle" logo in the mid 1980's, the slide for the news reports, called Newsbrief, had the word newsbrief, and the studios on them. May also have been the case with scotland today, or any news bulletins.

Newsbrief, incidentally, were like newsflashes.


No. The ident slide was only used at the start of STV-produced programmes. Our house style was to use either the Continuity Announcer in vision, or over a 'building' slide. Many variations existed (I still have most of them) including 'Building by night with snow', 'Building by day overcast' and so forth.

Newsbriefs were used to 'fill' junctions with something more useful than yet another COI. The shortest Newsbrief I ever read was a mere seven seconds in duration!! The slides for the News Bulletins were variants of the main Scotland Today design, which didn't include the building.
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A former member
I don'tremember crossroads being made by stv Wink I think bryce just forgot. Thanks for the explaintion, any chance of any clips? Or slides?

Cheerz
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TonyCurrie
Not quite sure what you mean about Bryce - he made a standard introduction to Crossroads over a slide. So what was the point of your remark?


I don'tremember crossroads being made by stv Wink I think bryce just forgot. Thanks for the explaintion, any chance of any clips? Or slides?

Cheerz
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A former member
Not quite sure what you mean about Bryce - he made a standard introduction to Crossroads over a slide. So what was the point of your remark?
Cheerz


Embarassed I have mis read your first quote, about ident slide only stv show. I believed building slide was only for stv made show.

So buildings side or CA used for most junctions, and local ident/ slide for many local show broadcast by stv.
RO
robertclark125
One reason it might have been done, I suspect, could be a fault with the normal STV ident slide.

Incidentally, when STV adopted the "thistle" logo in the mid 1980's, the slide for the news reports, called Newsbrief, had the word newsbrief, and the studios on them. May also have been the case with scotland today, or any news bulletins.

Newsbrief, incidentally, were like newsflashes.


No. The ident slide was only used at the start of STV-produced programmes. Our house style was to use either the Continuity Announcer in vision, or over a 'building' slide. Many variations existed (I still have most of them) including 'Building by night with snow', 'Building by day overcast' and so forth.

Newsbriefs were used to 'fill' junctions with something more useful than yet another COI. The shortest Newsbrief I ever read was a mere seven seconds in duration!! The slides for the News Bulletins were variants of the main Scotland Today design, which didn't include the building.


There's a copy of a newsbrief on Youtube, with yourself reading it Tony. It was about the planned march to save the gartcosh steelworks (sadly it did close). A similar thing was done by Granada, only this was to give out local sports results, such as, in one case, Speedway, though for these the announcement was done over a slide, wheras newsbrief was always done in vision.
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Si-Co
As some may know, I have been trying to found out times of when some series went out and what was networked or not, its not been easy, Half the time the wiki pages need to be clean up:

I have to ask Was there any US sitcom that really made it big on one of the itv networks? 14 hated it but one love it so much there broadcast all the time.

Silver spoons, Was this fully broadcast by most? I get the feeling it was only a cheap filler and never shown everywhere: It seems Border and UTV hated Chips and rather broadcast Falcon crest and Battle star Gal.. .


ISTR a few Anerican sitcoms in afternoon slots on Granada and Border in the late 80s/early 90s, which may not have been seen elsewhere?

9 days later

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A former member
Why couldn't the 15 stations create a schedule where most of the day there had the same shows going out the same time. As it been said most of the time it was the same show but at different slots and times etc. or was there a rule against this outside peak?

Did Crossroads get broadcast anywhere outside the uk?
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robertclark125
Why couldn't the 15 stations create a schedule where most of the day there had the same shows going out the same time. As it been said most of the time it was the same show but at different slots and times etc. or was there a rule against this outside peak?

Did Crossroads get broadcast anywhere outside the uk?


Until the creation of the ITV Network centre in 1989, the rights to shows were often bought up individually by each or most ITV franchises. This also applied to many people. As an example, when Morecambe and Wise left the BBC for ITV, they were actually contracted to Thames Television, although the shows were networked. Similarly, Thames had the rights to "The streets of San Francisco", but STV never showed it; the difference here was Thames only had London rights, not UK rights.

This also explains the issue of Take the High Road, an STV production, not being shown at the same time elsewhere. It was established later down south, and so was behind in the schedules. Although it was networked for a time, STV, as the owners of the show, could easily have awarded the English rights to Channel 4 or Sky, if they wanted to.
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A former member


Until the creation of the ITV Network centre in 1989, the rights to shows were often bought up individually by each or most ITV franchises. This also applied to many people. As an example, when Morecambe and Wise left the BBC for ITV, they were actually contracted to Thames Television, although the shows were networked. Similarly, Thames had the rights to "The streets of San Francisco", but STV never showed it; the difference here was Thames only had London rights, not UK rights.


STV did broadcast The streets of San Francisco Confused
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Westy2
Why couldn't the 15 stations create a schedule where most of the day there had the same shows going out the same time. As it been said most of the time it was the same show but at different slots and times etc. or was there a rule against this outside peak?

Did Crossroads get broadcast anywhere outside the uk?


Until the creation of the ITV Network centre in 1989, the rights to shows were often bought up individually by each or most ITV franchises. This also applied to many people. As an example, when Morecambe and Wise left the BBC for ITV, they were actually contracted to Thames Television, although the shows were networked. Similarly, Thames had the rights to "The streets of San Francisco", but STV never showed it; the difference here was Thames only had London rights, not UK rights.

This also explains the issue of Take the High Road, an STV production, not being shown at the same time elsewhere. It was established later down south, and so was behind in the schedules. Although it was networked for a time, STV, as the owners of the show, could easily have awarded the English rights to Channel 4 or Sky, if they wanted to.


How does this explain 'World Of Sport' produced by LWT, & its weekday Bank Holiday equivalent produced by Thames, but Dickie Davies presented both shows ISTR.

Was Dickie under contract to LWT & 'borrowed' by Thames, or was Dickie under contract to a 'generic' ITV Sport?

What was 'ITV Sport' in the early days?

Basically any sports programmes networked by the London companies that couldn't be flagged as a LWT or Thames production?

Would any sport been networked by companies other than LWT/Thames, eg any athletics from Birmingham would have been transmitted by ATV/Central, but under the ITV Sport brand?
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MikeGNE
According to the IBA archive a 'Central Sports Unit' in 1966 was set up. World of Sport was launched as an ABC-ATV Co-Production. So the presenter for networked sport would be open to present any networked programme from any region producting or co-producing a production for the ITV Sport output..
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Markymark
Why couldn't the 15 stations create a schedule where most of the day there had the same shows going out the same time. As it been said most of the time it was the same show but at different slots and times etc. or was there a rule against this outside peak?

Did Crossroads get broadcast anywhere outside the uk?


Until the creation of the ITV Network centre in 1989, the rights to shows were often bought up individually by each or most ITV franchises. This also applied to many people. As an example, when Morecambe and Wise left the BBC for ITV, they were actually contracted to Thames Television, although the shows were networked. Similarly, Thames had the rights to "The streets of San Francisco", but STV never showed it; the difference here was Thames only had London rights, not UK rights.

This also explains the issue of Take the High Road, an STV production, not being shown at the same time elsewhere. It was established later down south, and so was behind in the schedules. Although it was networked for a time, STV, as the owners of the show, could easily have awarded the English rights to Channel 4 or Sky, if they wanted to.


How does this explain 'World Of Sport' produced by LWT, & its weekday Bank Holiday equivalent produced by Thames, but Dickie Davies presented both shows ISTR.

Was Dickie under contract to LWT & 'borrowed' by Thames, or was Dickie under contract to a 'generic' ITV Sport?

What was 'ITV Sport' in the early days?

Basically any sports programmes networked by the London companies that couldn't be flagged as a LWT or Thames production?

Would any sport been networked by companies other than LWT/Thames, eg any athletics from Birmingham would have been transmitted by ATV/Central, but under the ITV Sport brand?


I do recall for a while, in the end credits of World of Sport a line that read, 'Complied on the behalf of the ITV Network, by LWT'.

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