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Si-Co
jjne posted:
It was red.


Think I've mentioned this before, but at Tyne Tees (at least when I saw it) the 'phone' was a button on the desk rather than a physical phone. It was backlit red though.


It was a physical handset back in 1987. There were three handsets by the TC's desk - one was connected to the Speaking Clock, one was the 'red phone' (though I can't recall if it was actually red), and there was one other.

Border did have some amazing breakdowns - the one I remember from my childhood, was when they were showing an episode of Home and Away, and there was no part 2 on the tape


Did Border transmit that themselves or did it come down the line from elsewhere?


They were part networking it to half the country, which made it worse, as in more embarrassing, for them !


Surprised to hear that Border were part-networking H&A. I think Thames (and later Carlton) had the masters, and played it out at lunchtime (regions either screening it via their feed or recording it to play back themselves - the lunchtime tx's as well as the tea-time repeats were scheduled at different times across the network). Anyone who recorded it would then have a copy to play back at 5.10, 6.00 or 6.30 too.

I noticed that the 5.10 episodes weren't all coming from the same source (I saw a 1993 episode on HTV, Granada and YTV and they all started at a slighly different time). Do we have any idea who was playing the episodes out and to whom?
IS
Inspector Sands
In the derelict remains of the Central TV building, the fabled red phone? http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/687/itv31sp7.jpg
(although I'm sure I've seen a photo of the transmission desk with a red phone on it, I just can't find it)
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 24 March 2012 1:35am
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ColonelRed
Si-Co posted:
jjne posted:
It was red.


Think I've mentioned this before, but at Tyne Tees (at least when I saw it) the 'phone' was a button on the desk rather than a physical phone. It was backlit red though.


It was a physical handset back in 1987. There were three handsets by the TC's desk - one was connected to the Speaking Clock, one was the 'red phone' (though I can't recall if it was actually red), and there was one other.

Border did have some amazing breakdowns - the one I remember from my childhood, was when they were showing an episode of Home and Away, and there was no part 2 on the tape


Did Border transmit that themselves or did it come down the line from elsewhere?


Border part networked the 5.10 repeat - the night of that breakdown it had moved to 6.30 for that night only

They were part networking it to half the country, which made it worse, as in more embarrassing, for them !


Surprised to hear that Border were part-networking H&A. I think Thames (and later Carlton) had the masters, and played it out at lunchtime (regions either screening it via their feed or recording it to play back themselves - the lunchtime tx's as well as the tea-time repeats were scheduled at different times across the network). Anyone who recorded it would then have a copy to play back at 5.10, 6.00 or 6.30 too.

I noticed that the 5.10 episodes weren't all coming from the same source (I saw a 1993 episode on HTV, Granada and YTV and they all started at a slighly different time). Do we have any idea who was playing the episodes out and to whom?


Border part networked the 5.10 episode, on the night of the breakdown above it was being shown at 6.30 for some reason.
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robertclark125
The tragic edition of Live from Her Majestys, in which Tommy Cooper died on stage, was being networked by LWT. The ad break was run earlier than planned. A now removed youtube video showed how LWT handled it, and ads played straight away. What happened elsewhere, and did the red phone come into play here? And did some regions show ads late, and thus miss the next bit of the show?
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ColonelRed
The tragic edition of Live from Her Majestys, in which Tommy Cooper died on stage, was being networked by LWT. The ad break was run earlier than planned. A now removed youtube video showed how LWT handled it, and ads played straight away. What happened elsewhere, and did the red phone come into play here? And did some regions show ads late, and thus miss the next bit of the show?


Would be interesting to see a tragic event like that would be handled by the broadcasters today
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A former member
The tragic edition of Live from Her Majestys, in which Tommy Cooper died on stage, was being networked by LWT. The ad break was run earlier than planned. A now removed youtube video showed how LWT handled it, and ads played straight away. What happened elsewhere, and did the red phone come into play here? And did some regions show ads late, and thus miss the next bit of the show?


Would be interesting to see a tragic event like that would be handled by the broadcasters today


There is a thread about if you search. Also H&A lunchtime was also not networked was it
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jjne
Was H&A really networked by Border? Certainly Tyne Tees used to show the programme a full 2 minutes after Yorkshire, as they shuffled the ad-breaks around in order to fit a couple of minutes of birthdays in at 5.10. TTTV appeared to be playing out the programme themselves (no cue-dot) but YTV appeared to be taking their feed from Thames (the cue-dot matched, and there were Thames announcers voicing over promos at the end of the programme on a couple of occasions that I saw).

The TTTV balls-up above will have been of their own making Laughing
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Larry the Loafer
The tragic edition of Live from Her Majestys, in which Tommy Cooper died on stage, was being networked by LWT. The ad break was run earlier than planned. A now removed youtube video showed how LWT handled it, and ads played straight away. What happened elsewhere, and did the red phone come into play here? And did some regions show ads late, and thus miss the next bit of the show?


Would be interesting to see a tragic event like that would be handled by the broadcasters today


Odds are there'd be a timed delay and have it covered as a technical fault or something. I remember reading in the aforementioned thread that the red phone was used to contact other regions, and that some were left with blank screens. Whether or not the next part was missed is beyond me.
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Steven O
The tragic edition of Live from Her Majestys, in which Tommy Cooper died on stage, was being networked by LWT. The ad break was run earlier than planned. A now removed youtube video showed how LWT handled it, and ads played straight away. What happened elsewhere, and did the red phone come into play here? And did some regions show ads late, and thus miss the next bit of the show?


Would be interesting to see a tragic event like that would be handled by the broadcasters today


Odds are there'd be a timed delay and have it covered as a technical fault or something. I remember reading in the aforementioned thread that the red phone was used to contact other regions, and that some were left with blank screens. Whether or not the next part was missed is beyond me.


It's hard to believe that in a few weeks' time it will be 28 years to the very day since the comedy colossus that was Tommy Cooper took his final bow on live television. I can remember it happening as if it was yesterday...
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Inspector Sands
Odds are there'd be a timed delay and have it covered as a technical fault or something. I remember reading in the aforementioned thread that the red phone was used to contact other regions, and that some were left with blank screens. Whether or not the next part was missed is beyond me.

There would almost certainly not be a delay on such a programme today. There are very very few, if any, live programmes broadcast with a delay these days (at least in the UK, it's routine in the US). Even a delay wouldn't have stopped it from going to air, remember that at the time most people watching thought it was part of his act, only a handful realised what was going on straight away.... the delay would have had to have been quite a big one for it to have been removed

IIRC most regions were fine, the cue dot was up and the end of part sting played out as expected, albeit early. The next part of the programme went out as planned, albeit with the next act performing in front of closed curtains because Cooper's body was still on stage
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WillPS
Odds are there'd be a timed delay and have it covered as a technical fault or something. I remember reading in the aforementioned thread that the red phone was used to contact other regions, and that some were left with blank screens. Whether or not the next part was missed is beyond me.

There would almost certainly not be a delay on such a programme today. There are very very few, if any, live programmes broadcast with a delay these days (at least in the UK, it's routine in the US). Even a delay wouldn't have stopped it from going to air, remember that at the time most people watching thought it was part of his act, only a handful realised what was going on straight away.... the delay would have had to have been quite a big one for it to have been removed

IIRC most regions were fine, the cue dot was up and the end of part sting played out as expected, albeit early. The next part of the programme went out as planned, albeit with the next act performing in front of closed curtains because Cooper's body was still on stage


They'd have had to pretend there was a technical problem - like they did when C4 emergency censored a MJ joke...
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Inspector Sands
They'd have had to pretend there was a technical problem - like they did when C4 emergency censored a MJ joke...

Yes they did, but that was a pre-recorded programme and the Michael Jackson content was known (and probably logged on the programme's paperwork) beforehand.

On a live programme you can't have someone collapse and die on air and cover it up as a technical fault unless you've a substantial delay and except for Big Brother, no programme has that these days. There's no reason to assume that a 2012 broadcast of Live From Her Majesty's would have a delay of any sort

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