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JO
Johnny83
jjne posted:
Or "now" more commonly.

Local promos (made in Leeds) were common on Tyne Tees as well right up until 2002 -- although they always seemed to be rather half-arsed efforts compared to when Newcastle produced their own.

Leeds really did seem to be on a mission to make presentation as bland as possible towards the end. The rot really started to set in in September 1996 -- at this point station name-checking became rarer and the "coming next" routine was axed. It was downhill all the way from there and it was a welcome relief when pres moved to London in 2002.

The irony is that YTV used to take their continuity *very* seriously -- in the 1980s it was like a well-oiled machine when even the BBC was a bit slapdash at times. By the end they just seemed to be content to get something on-screen. Crossfades were poorly timed (and on TTTV at least they faded the sound at the same time as the vision rather than stepping it), the fading of the anno's mike was inconsistent and often jarring and they would frequently clip the end of trailers etc.

Tyne Tees on the other hand had just become pretty slick around 1991-2 (after being *very* clunky up to that point, which they got away with due to their friendly approach), only for all that to be thrown into flux in 1993 and never recovered.

The Carlton and Meridian stations always seemed much more professional in the late 90s/early 2000s. Meridian was totally unremarkable -- bland in the style of the early-90s YTV -- but LWT and Carlton weren't bad.


During LWT's final months Trish & Glen seemed to be the only ones to still proudly say the LWT name & also the "your weekend ITV" tag, shame when you go back 5-6 years prior to 2002 when LWT had unveiled that last excellent package, at least they had one last go during their final years, they seemed to be one of the few regions who still cared by the end (or that's the impression I get at least).
NG
noggin Founding member
Thanks for that.

When was Anglia's continuity moved to Northam? Was this not long after MAI bought them in 1994? Something I will say is that I saw some Anglia in the late 90s & early 00's (not long before presentation was centralized) and you wouldn't guess that it wasn't standalone. Meridian was the same when I was in the region in summer 2002. Announcers almost always name-checked the station ("Now on Meridian...etc") and dedicated 'next captions'. Also, lots of local promos, even more than network ones on some days. I take it, they pre-recorded one station (or two once HTV West arrived) and did one live?

It was a world away from Granada, my home region, with bland cross-region continuity referring to 'this channel', often pre-recorded, few local promos and no next captions. Indeed, looking at much of the rest of the ITV Network presentation at the time (even Carlton's regions despite the dumping of the Central & Westcountry brands), it was pretty dire up here.


I lived and worked in both Meridian and Anglia regions during the 90s - often seeing both regions during the same week. They had a clever, common, trailer style with a space left for a Meridian or Anglia logo (presumably so that it could be inserted live for some of them) - but they had specific Anglia or Meridian voice overs.

Occasionally it would fall to bits and you'd see flashes of Meridian stuff on Anglia, or trails or menus with a gap where the Anglia Flag or Meridian Sunburst logo should have been.

I agree that Meridian and Anglia both looked pretty slick. I think MAI did quite well at keeping a regional feel to their presentation even when they merged areas. That said - both Meridian (and TVS) and Anglia before them could have shared announcers easily, as they were all pretty "Southern British Standard" (as was TSW/Westcountry) - so regional accents probably weren't a major issue.

I always had a soft spot for Anglia (not just because I lived in the region for a while) - as they seemed to like to do things properly (though didn't always manage to). They had a good go at drama ("The Chief" was certainly pretty watchable, and they used to really give Look East some very stiff competition - hammering them in the early 90s)

Also they shared some 'regional' programmes, like the car programme that Andy 'Meridian Newbury' North presented for a while?
:-(
A former member
I still wonder why Central and Anglia never merged back in the 1990s as there were really close until 1994.
NG
noggin Founding member
I still wonder why Central and Anglia never merged back in the 1990s as there were really close until 1994.


I think East Anglia has never 'fitted in' at either the BBC or ITV.

In the BBC on-screen it was part of BBC "South and East" in the late 80s/early 90s (which was really Lime Grove/Elstree and Norwich) and then in off-screen terms it became part of BBC "Midlands and East" later in the 90s, but this was really for back-room admin more than anything.

I never really picked up on any Central / Anglia 'close-ness' - and I lived or worked there from 1990-1993 and from 1995-1997.
DE
deejay
If anything Anglia seemed to have the closest relationship over the later years with Meridian, though I'm not sure they wanted it. Meridian and Anglia's presentation and promotions units were combined, with continuity coming from Northam in the end. Anglia's strength IMO was it's independence - it kept what it was doing regionally to a high standard and it's network contributions were of a decent quality too, in some cases exceptional quality: Survival and Tales of the Unexpected being examples.
MA
Markymark
If anything Anglia seemed to have the closest relationship over the later years with Meridian, though I'm not sure they wanted it. Meridian and Anglia's presentation and promotions units were combined, with continuity coming from Northam in the end. Anglia's strength IMO was it's independence - it kept what it was doing regionally to a high standard and it's network contributions were of a decent quality too, in some cases exceptional quality: Survival and Tales of the Unexpected being examples.


Going back in time, in the 1950s the ITA were in a quandary about which region the Dover transmitter should be allocated to. One plan AIUI was to allocate it to 'East Anglia', if they had, I doubt Anglia would have been allocated Belmont (which of course was handed over to YTV in 1974), and Southern would not have been the largest regional.

I remember one pres cock up on Meridian during the 90s. Over the top of an 'HTV News' caption, the CA said,
"..and after the break a round up of events in Anglia News" Very Happy
BE
Ben Founding member
I remember other Pres cock-ups such as seeing the Anglia flag while watching Meridian. It was rare but it did happen.
BU
buster
I've an example on tape somewhere from Granada in Sep/Oct 1999 (by which point they really should have ironed this sort of thing out) of two announcements going out on top of each other. So you had the Granada glass "G" ident playing in mute on screen, and then heard this:

"Back to this evening..NOW ON YORKSHIRE CHRISTINE TALBOT IS YOUR HOST FOR TONIGHT...Granada Tonight". Two different announcers too which was interesting as I thought they were down to one at a time by that point.
SO
Steven O
jjne posted:
Or "now" more commonly.

Local promos (made in Leeds) were common on Tyne Tees as well right up until 2002 -- although they always seemed to be rather half-arsed efforts compared to when Newcastle produced their own.

Leeds really did seem to be on a mission to make presentation as bland as possible towards the end. The rot really started to set in in September 1996 -- at this point station name-checking became rarer and the "coming next" routine was axed. It was downhill all the way from there and it was a welcome relief when pres moved to London in 2002.

The irony is that YTV used to take their continuity *very* seriously -- in the 1980s it was like a well-oiled machine when even the BBC was a bit slapdash at times. By the end they just seemed to be content to get something on-screen. Crossfades were poorly timed (and on TTTV at least they faded the sound at the same time as the vision rather than stepping it), the fading of the anno's mike was inconsistent and often jarring and they would frequently clip the end of trailers etc.

Tyne Tees on the other hand had just become pretty slick around 1991-2 (after being *very* clunky up to that point, which they got away with due to their friendly approach), only for all that to be thrown into flux in 1993 and never recovered.

The Carlton and Meridian stations always seemed much more professional in the late 90s/early 2000s. Meridian was totally unremarkable -- bland in the style of the early-90s YTV -- but LWT and Carlton weren't bad.


And then of course there was the period when TTTV was renamed Channel 3 North East. A bold experiment when you look back on it now, but at the time it was seen as YTV hammering yet another nail in TTTV's coffin. Because the licence for the region was in the name of TTTV, it meant they had to be referred to in the revised branding, so you had the announcers saying "you're watching Tyne Tees Television on Channel 3 in the North East" (or something similar) and the on-screen logs reading "North East 3" with "Tyne Tees Television" along the bottom of the screen.

That of course was all down to the late Bruce Gyngell, who was in charge of YTTV at the time. If my memory is correct, he also wanted YTV rebranded as "Channel 3 Yorkshire", only for the ITC to say no. In another time, and another place, the TTTV rebrand might have succeeded - instead, it turned out to be a good idea let down very badly by its execution.

One can only speculate on what might have been if Border had been bought by YTV and subsequently rebranded. Not only would "Channel 3 in Cumbria, South Scotland, the Isle of Man and north and west Northumberland" been a bit of a mouthful, but they would also have had a hell of a job fitting all of that on to an on-screen caption. Laughing
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Yorkshire didn't get away with the Channel 3 nonsense entirely

IS
Inspector Sands
One can only speculate on what might have been if Border had been bought by YTV and subsequently rebranded.

'Channel 3 Border' seems the obvious answer Wink
:-(
A former member
I still wonder why Central and Anglia never merged back in the 1990s as there were really close until 1994.


I think East Anglia has never 'fitted in' at either the BBC or ITV.

In the BBC on-screen it was part of BBC "South and East" in the late 80s/early 90s (which was really Lime Grove/Elstree and Norwich) and then in off-screen terms it became part of BBC "Midlands and East" later in the 90s, but this was really for back-room admin more than anything.

I never really picked up on any Central / Anglia 'close-ness' - and I lived or worked there from 1990-1993 and from 1995-1997.


Those two used to have Joint Schedule, and some joint local programmes. Shocked until about 1995,

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