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MA
Markymark
On a slightly different tact, I'd like to ask a few questions about the franchise handovers on that fatefull night of December 31st 1992.

For a start, looking at the youtube clips, it appears that TVS never took the ITN bulletin just before midnight, unlike Thames & TSW. Now, as far as I'm aware, ITN bulletins have always been mandatory and cannot be not shown or timeshifted. I guess the most obvious answer to this would be that TVS had lost their franchise, so had nothing to lose, but surely they risked a fine doing this, did they not? Or, did they somehow get permission from the ITC and/or ITN to not show it?



I doubt anybody either at ITN or the ITC would have cared, assuming TVS were even breaking some rule


Also, on Thames' handover to Carlton, you can see on the stroke of midnight where the screen goes all squally for a second or so. I understand that this is due to lack of frame synch due to the switch being made from linking the transmitters from Thames to Carlton; I assume more precisely from Teddington to the South Bank.


Euston to the South Bank, but yes you're right. Thames TV's playout and continuity was from their Euston Road base.


On TVS's handoever to Meridian, there is no awkward moment on the stroke of midnight, though some sound difficulties during the few preceding seconds, which would've still been TVS's franchise period. I guess this is because Meridian were also coming from the Northam Studios, so not transmitters needed switching?


That's right. The loss of sound seemed to be someone pulling the wrong fader down, either a genuine cock up, or some silly childish prank from someone seconds away from redundancy.
WP
WillPS
On a slightly different tact, I'd like to ask a few questions about the franchise handovers on that fatefull night of December 31st 1992.

For a start, looking at the youtube clips, it appears that TVS never took the ITN bulletin just before midnight, unlike Thames & TSW. Now, as far as I'm aware, ITN bulletins have always been mandatory and cannot be not shown or timeshifted. I guess the most obvious answer to this would be that TVS had lost their franchise, so had nothing to lose, but surely they risked a fine doing this, did they not? Or, did they somehow get permission from the ITC and/or ITN to not show it?

It would have been the IBA who would have been responsible for the fine (they had regulatory power for the duration of TVS' franchise). The IBA too were being wound down, lets not forget. The purpose of a fine is normally to act as a deterrent against further breaches - since that would have been impossible, the whole process of investigating and setting a deterrent would have been a waste of time and probably money for all involved.

I expect this regulation might have been relaxed anyway - Carlton opted out of the ITN broadcast before it had finished, as did Meridian and Westcountry.

EDIT: my bad, I thought the IBA remained until 1993, but in fact they bowed out a year earlier. Still the point about it being a deterrent remains.

Also, on Thames' handover to Carlton, you can see on the stroke of midnight where the screen goes all squally for a second or so. I understand that this is due to lack of frame synch due to the switch being made from linking the transmitters from Thames to Carlton; I assume more precisely from Teddington to the South Bank. On TVS's handoever to Meridian, there is no awkward moment on the stroke of midnight, though some sound difficulties during the few preceding seconds, which would've still been TVS's franchise period. I guess this is because Meridian were also coming from the Northam Studios, so not transmitters needed switching?
I expect you're correct. You used to see a similar effect at the end of TV-am every day (but not GMTV since there was no transmitter switching involved there, they went via the regional programming contractor). You can also see it in Thames/LWT handovers, but not Carlton/LWT since they were both played out from the South Bank.

Finally, which company was filming the Big Ben chime sequence that all the ITV companies seemed to show, including TVS?
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MA
Markymark

It would have been the IBA who would have been responsible for the fine (they had regulatory power for the duration of TVS' franchise). The IBA too were being wound down, lets not forget.


No, they'd gone, the ITC took over the regulation of ITV on Jan 1 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Television_Commission
BU
buster
On a slightly different tact, I'd like to ask a few questions about the franchise handovers on that fatefull night of December 31st 1992.

For a start, looking at the youtube clips, it appears that TVS never took the ITN bulletin just before midnight, unlike Thames & TSW. Now, as far as I'm aware, ITN bulletins have always been mandatory and cannot be not shown or timeshifted. I guess the most obvious answer to this would be that TVS had lost their franchise, so had nothing to lose, but surely they risked a fine doing this, did they not? Or, did they somehow get permission from the ITC and/or ITN to not show it?

Also, on Thames' handover to Carlton, you can see on the stroke of midnight where the screen goes all squally for a second or so. I understand that this is due to lack of frame synch due to the switch being made from linking the transmitters from Thames to Carlton; I assume more precisely from Teddington to the South Bank. On TVS's handoever to Meridian, there is no awkward moment on the stroke of midnight, though some sound difficulties during the few preceding seconds, which would've still been TVS's franchise period. I guess this is because Meridian were also coming from the Northam Studios, so not transmitters needed switching?

Finally, which company was filming the Big Ben chime sequence that all the ITV companies seemed to show, including TVS?


Doesn't answer your questions (others have) but Granada took over the networking requirements at around 9pm that night from Thames to faciliate the handover - whatever film/drama there was a 9, followed by the news and the Thames highlight show were all handled by Quay St. Carlton's first networked programme was then the following morning.
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A former member
Thames:
2000 The Bill
2030 John Le Carré's a Murder of Quality
2230 News
2245 The End of the Year: The Best...From Thames
2355News
2359Big Ben
0000 A Carlton New Year
0130 Film: Best Defense [1984].
0315 Film: Murder Takes All

I dare say TVS was the same but with Goodbye to all that at 22.45? What went out on the rest of the network?

I dare say STV and GTV had the wonderful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvKij59yMSc&feature=sh_e_sl&list=SL 90mins Razz
DV
dvboy
Central, 31 Dec 1992, as listed by Oracle:
http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/gallery/oracle/itv-213-311299.gif

I assume this was 'the rest of the Network' (up to the joke at midlnight) as Central weren't losing their franchise.

edit: Wikipedia "Thames Television" suggests their programme "The End of the Year Show" was the network programme. The "Westcountry Television" article suggests Best Defence went out there too, perhaps Carlton delayed it.
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SP
Steve in Pudsey
Doesn't answer your questions (others have) but Granada took over the networking requirements at around 9pm that night from Thames to faciliate the handover - whatever film/drama there was a 9, followed by the news and the Thames highlight show were all handled by Quay St. Carlton's first networked programme was then the following morning.


Did Granada also take over as "nominated contractor"? I know at one time ATV/Central was the back-up if Thames/LWT was unable to carry out this duty, and would also do it on Christmas Day to give the London contractor a break.
SC
Si-Co
For a start, looking at the youtube clips, it appears that TVS never took the ITN bulletin just before midnight, unlike Thames & TSW. Now, as far as I'm aware, ITN bulletins have always been mandatory and cannot be not shown or timeshifted. I guess the most obvious answer to this would be that TVS had lost their franchise, so had nothing to lose, but surely they risked a fine doing this, did they not? Or, did they somehow get permission from the ITC and/or ITN to not show it?


Picking up on the point about ITN, I'm not sure if it was mandatory to show 'headline' bulletins, although obviously it was with the flagship One/5.45/Ten etc.

ITN used to produce a weekday afternoon headlines bulletin in the 80s and 90s (shown around 3.25pm) but not all regions took this - many showing a local news round-up instead. By the mid-90s it seemed most or all regions were scheduling this ITN bulletin.

Also, I'm sure the overnight headlines bulletins were timeshifted in some regions, to fit in with their night-time schedule.
WP
WillPS
The 'News' at 23.55 was hardly news anyway, it just falls on ITN as it's a live news event.
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A former member
Si-Co posted:

Also, I'm sure the overnight headlines bulletins were timeshifted in some regions, to fit in with their night-time schedule.


I forgotten about that, it would have been all over the place, I wonder who got it live during 1993?
NW
nwtv2003
Doesn't answer your questions (others have) but Granada took over the networking requirements at around 9pm that night from Thames to faciliate the handover - whatever film/drama there was a 9, followed by the news and the Thames highlight show were all handled by Quay St. Carlton's first networked programme was then the following morning.


Hmm I didn't know that, thanks for your post. It probably explains why most of the ITV network got Best Defence at 12.05am (or there abouts) including Westcountry whose Night Time feed came from Granada, where as Carlton showed the film at about 1.00am after 'A Carlton New Year'.
WE
Westy2
Si-Co posted:
For a start, looking at the youtube clips, it appears that TVS never took the ITN bulletin just before midnight, unlike Thames & TSW. Now, as far as I'm aware, ITN bulletins have always been mandatory and cannot be not shown or timeshifted. I guess the most obvious answer to this would be that TVS had lost their franchise, so had nothing to lose, but surely they risked a fine doing this, did they not? Or, did they somehow get permission from the ITC and/or ITN to not show it?


Picking up on the point about ITN, I'm not sure if it was mandatory to show 'headline' bulletins, although obviously it was with the flagship One/5.45/Ten etc.

ITN used to produce a weekday afternoon headlines bulletin in the 80s and 90s (shown around 3.25pm) but not all regions took this - many showing a local news round-up instead. By the mid-90s it seemed most or all regions were scheduling this ITN bulletin.

Also, I'm sure the overnight headlines bulletins were timeshifted in some regions, to fit in with their night-time schedule.


Central did their own overnight bulletins at some point too. (Think ITN replaced their bulletins ISTR)

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