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AB
aberdeenboy
Did you mean... could the relays in Dumfries and Gallow rebroadcast Darvel instead of Caldbeck?

I honestly don't know. I'm not a technical person. But obviously a means could be found of switching over these relays to STV if that was ever required. The question would be how and at what cost.
RJ
RJG
The Caldbeck relays in the South-West of Scotland (including two in South Ayrshire....Pinwherry and Ballantrae) would not need to be fed from Darvel which would be technically very difficult. A separate feed already exists at Caldbeck but is currently a duplicate of ITV Border. Historically, the South West of Scotland has been worst served of all areas in the UK. Until the late 70s the only BBC 1 available on UHF, including from the relays across the region, was the North East of England service. BBC 2 Scotland wasn't available to the area until the early 90s. And, until DSO, the Freeview service for Dumfries and Galloway carried BBC North East and Border England, Scottish variants were only available on analogue.
I live less than an hour's drive from the capital of Scotland. The local police service is Lothian and Borders Police...the fire service is Lothian and Borders, both based in Edinburgh. Scotland has its own legal system, education system, its own parliament etc etc yet my "local" service on channel three gives me news from North Yorkshire and Teesside! Border Scotland was a compromise, maybe not a perfect one...introduced because of dissatisfaction with access to Scottish-interest programming. Now I'm a foreigner in my own country.
WE
Westy2
I believe World of Sport did not show football that much? I know BBC always had the highlights of the games for the much of the time aswell. was it's the Auttum of 1992 when ITV had to found other stuff to fill up listings

Back in the 1970s and early 1980s, underneath World of Sport it said in italics: Compiled for Independent Television by London Weekend Television.

By that I take it they meant Dickie Davies presented it from one of LWT's studios.


Yes, Studio 3 at LWT, it later became GMTV's studio.


However any sporting events around the country were probably provided by the local ITV company, e.g. a football match in Manchester footage provided by Granada, if it was in Newcastle it Tyne Tees would have provided the footage. A sporting event from Devon or Cornwall would presumably have been provided by Westward.


Yes, broadly so, though the small ITV companies were not equipped for large scale OBs, so would have had to have had assistance. No hard and fast rules though. Thames came to Basingstoke for Ice Hockey coverage, despite being within TVS's region. Although TVS did cover a tennis tournament in the same town.

Large sporting events relied on ITV companies pooling resourses, for instance the European Cup Final hosted in Glasgow in 1976 was a joint effort between STV, and TTTV, with help from ATV and LWT.


Christ all these quotes. How are you supposed to work out who said what?

Anyway wasn't GMTV & World Of Sport in LWT 5?

(Sure I read somewhere GMTV was in 5, unless they changed studios at some point in the past?)
TT
Tumble Tower
What was the arrangement for Bank Holiday Monday or Boxing Day editions of World of Sport, which were in Thames time rather than LWT?

On bank holidays, it was called Bank Holiday Sports Special. In TVTimes, it said Compiled for Independent Television by Thames Television.

Thus the "in studio" time must have been a Thames studio, but with footage for individual sports fixtures supplied by the regions.
AB
aberdeenboy
RJG posted:
The Caldbeck relays in the South-West of Scotland (including two in South Ayrshire....Pinwherry and Ballantrae) would not need to be fed from Darvel which would be technically very difficult. A separate feed already exists at Caldbeck but is currently a duplicate of ITV Border. Historically, the South West of Scotland has been worst served of all areas in the UK. Until the late 70s the only BBC 1 available on UHF, including from the relays across the region, was the North East of England service. BBC 2 Scotland wasn't available to the area until the early 90s. And, until DSO, the Freeview service for Dumfries and Galloway carried BBC North East and Border England, Scottish variants were only available on analogue.
I live less than an hour's drive from the capital of Scotland. The local police service is Lothian and Borders Police...the fire service is Lothian and Borders, both based in Edinburgh. Scotland has its own legal system, education system, its own parliament etc etc yet my "local" service on channel three gives me news from North Yorkshire and Teesside! Border Scotland was a compromise, maybe not a perfect one...introduced because of dissatisfaction with access to Scottish-interest programming. Now I'm a foreigner in my own country.


I think it's important to distinguish between the quality and relevance of regional news in the South of Scotland and questions about whether viewers in the Border region are missing out on the Scottish national picture.

On regional news, it's obvious the situation is difficult. Just as it is in the former Westcountry region, the former Central East region and various other parts of England which lost sub-opts. Surprisingly though the viewing figures across the Border/Tyne Tees regions have apparently held up - at least according to Ofcom, though I have not seen any BARB ratings.

On the Scottish national picture surely it was ever thus with Border - the situation was brought into sharp focus with devolution but did it really get any worse when the enlarged Border TTTV programme began? I'm sure you know about the arguments going all the way back to 1960 about whether Selkirk should have gone to STV.

I cannot help but wonder how many viewers in the Border region would actually prefer STV though - and how much the idea of giving the south to STV is really more of a poltical point by people sympathetic to the SNP, or at least Scottish nationalism generally, but who don't watch much commercial telly. Arguments about the legal system and the established church are irrelevant to a day's entertainment on a mainstream commercial channel. And in news they reflect the kind of issues far more likely to be dealt with on Reporting Scotland and BBC Scotland's other output than on STV News or the rest of the station's current output. Are viewers in the Border region somehow missing out bon Scottish life because they can't watch Postcode Challenge and The Hour but can watch all the superb ITV1 dramas which STV doesn't show on 103 rather than 993?

Interesting hypothetical. Imagine if Grampian had actually been bought by Carlton Or Granada and ended up in ITVplc like Border while STV had remained independent.
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A former member
I dare say the area would get STV central news from Glasgow but would get opt out to cover the D&G and borders.
RJ
RJG


Interesting hypothetical. Imagine if Grampian had actually been bought by Carlton Or Granada and ended up in ITVplc like Border while STV had remained independent.


Or, indeed, if STV's takeover bid for Border had been successful.
JT
jolly turnip
What was the arrangement for Bank Holiday Monday or Boxing Day editions of World of Sport, which were in Thames time rather than LWT?

On bank holidays, it was called Bank Holiday Sports Special. In TVTimes, it said Compiled for Independent Television by Thames Television.

Thus the "in studio" time must have been a Thames studio, but with footage for individual sports fixtures supplied by the regions.


I think in the later years it was how Steve Rider was introduced to the nation - sure he presented that
MA
Markymark

By that I take it they meant Dickie Davies presented it from one of LWT's studios.


Yes, Studio 3 at LWT, it later became GMTV's studio.



Anyway wasn't GMTV & World Of Sport in LWT 5?


Yes, sorry, my mistake, Studio 5 at LWT, not 3, (I think it was on the third floor, which is why I wrote 3 Very Happy )
MA
Markymark
What was the arrangement for Bank Holiday Monday or Boxing Day editions of World of Sport, which were in Thames time rather than LWT?

On bank holidays, it was called Bank Holiday Sports Special. In TVTimes, it said Compiled for Independent Television by Thames Television.

Thus the "in studio" time must have been a Thames studio, but with footage for individual sports fixtures supplied by the regions.


I think in the later years it was how Steve Rider was introduced to the nation - sure he presented that


He did, though Dickie Davies certainly did Bank Holiday Sports Special Mondays in the 70s and early 80s.

I recall one Bank Holiday Monday in 1982, the programme was a mixture of the pope's visit to the UK, and sports, and was renamed Bank Holiday Special.

Now then, the pope's 1982 visit was interesting, BBC and ITV jointly covered the tour, but did not simulcast much, often ITV OBs went out only on the Beeb and vice versa.
NW
nwtv2003
There's a good clip on YouTube of a Thames start-up from the August Bank Holiday in 1985, more importantly the last Bank Holiday whilst World Of Sport was still on the air, which lists the bank holiday sports section simply as 'SportsDesk'.

Midweek Sport Special, Bank Holidays etc all came from Thames, whilst World of Sport, The Big Match were all from LWT, yet the same presenters such as Brian Moore and Dickie Davies would usually appear on both stations programmes.
WE
Westy2
There's a good clip on YouTube of a Thames start-up from the August Bank Holiday in 1985, more importantly the last Bank Holiday whilst World Of Sport was still on the air, which lists the bank holiday sports section simply as 'SportsDesk'.

Midweek Sport Special, Bank Holidays etc all came from Thames, whilst World of Sport, The Big Match were all from LWT, yet the same presenters such as Brian Moore and Dickie Davies would usually appear on both stations programmes.


Out of curiosity who were the likes of Brian & Dickie under actual contract to? LWT or ITV Sport?

Indeed, was there such a thing as 'ITV Sport' in the early days as 'World Of Sport' was a LWT production to all intents & purposes & 'Midweek Sports Special' was a Thames production?(All the regional football highlights shows were under the regional company brand.)

It's only since 1993 that ITV Sport was a production unit in it's own right surely?

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