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A former member
I have to ask. Can anyone name some ytv and central "local' shows? I'm bit hard pushed. Thames had very little local programmes compard to lwt, who really did push the boat out.


I have to answer, Thames had loads of local programmes. Reporting London was in primetime for many years and was considered extremely influential. They had loads of local sport programmes as well, that World of Sport series on ITV4 showed footage from the Thames Snooker Classic. And they even did the Thames Telethon twice. If they appeared to do less local programming than the other regions, it was probably mostly because they had to provide the sustanining feed for the network and so many of their shows were so glamorous they looked like network shows anyway,

Central did a pile as well, Central Weekend was a massive institution in the Midlands, running for up to two hours on a Friday night and getting an enormous audience share. They even had a regional soap in Family Pride, the Asian soap, which got repeated on Channel Four. And Yorkshire had every possible variation on Calendar imaginable. I have to ask, have you heard of a programme called Countdown?



Ah right so many of the thames local show went out to the network. With Central, I know about Central Weekend, when did there broadcast there regional soaps? daytime? weekends?

You mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGR-Fhizcyc Laughing

Reason for asking is Many of the other bigger station never tried to push in more of it locals show around 2pm - 7pm slots.
IS
Inspector Sands
I have to answer, Thames had loads of local programmes. Reporting London was in primetime for many years and was considered extremely influential.

Yes, there was '01 For London' and Thames Help too. They also had a business programme on in the evenings in the 80's

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They had loads of local sport programmes as well, that World of Sport series on ITV4 showed footage from the Thames Snooker Classic.

Was Midweek Sports Special a regional programme?

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And they even did the Thames Telethon twice. If they appeared to do less local programming than the other regions, it was probably mostly because they had to provide the sustanining feed for the network and so many of their shows were so glamorous they looked like network shows anyway,

I think it seems like they did less than LWT and I think that's probably true (taking into account the number of on-air days a week), but of course the weekend schedule started earlier and there was less daytime networking.
JT
jolly turnip
Some of the local programmes on Yorkshire with the Calendar branding included:

Calendar Commentary (politics)
Calendar Tuesday
Calendar Thursday (yes really)
Calendar Kids
Calendar Countdown
Calendar Lunchtime Live
Calendar Fashion Show
Calendar Enterprise (later known as just Enterprise)
NW
nwtv2003
They had loads of local sport programmes as well, that World of Sport series on ITV4 showed footage from the Thames Snooker Classic.

Was Midweek Sports Special a regional programme?


I don't believe it was, although by the early 1990s Midweek Sports Special was replaced by the likes of Thames Sport Special, Central Sport Special, I guess by that time it was down to the regions if they wanted to show that much sport on a Wednesday night.

The Thames Snooker Classic was a nice little gem found by ITV Sport for the World of Sport/ITV4 programme. I'm sure there's a couple of clips on TV Ark or YouTube where the 'Thames Television Young Gymnast of the year' is on the programme schedule.
SO
Steven O
Some of the local programmes on Yorkshire with the Calendar branding included:

Calendar Commentary (politics)
Calendar Tuesday
Calendar Thursday (yes really)
Calendar Kids
Calendar Countdown
Calendar Lunchtime Live
Calendar Fashion Show
Calendar Enterprise (later known as just Enterprise)


Also Calendar People, which Richard Whiteley mentioned in his autobiography.
MK
Mr Kite
Also - Calendar Goes Pop, which was presented by Richard Madeley.
IS
Inspector Sands
Ah right so many of the thames local show went out to the network.

No, they would just have gone out locally, they wouldn't have been sent out to other stations unless they were showing them too
MA
Markymark
Also - Calendar Goes Pop, which was presented by Richard Madeley.


....and Good Morning Calendar, the experimental 1977 breakfast (well 08:30 to 09:30 !) programme
SW
Steve Williams
The Thames Snooker Classic was a nice little gem found by ITV Sport for the World of Sport/ITV4 programme. I'm sure there's a couple of clips on TV Ark or YouTube where the 'Thames Television Young Gymnast of the year' is on the programme schedule.


That was networked, though. Midweek Sport Special was networked but towards the end Granada started opting out every week for their own show and I think Central did too, so by the beginning of the nineties it had more or less become a London-only show and any other region that didn't want to do a local show, a bit like The Big Match.
BR
Brekkie
Central used to show Our House pretty much every Sunday during the 90s - felt like it anyway. Things like Heart in the Country and I think Eye in the Sky (or Central's version of the standard helicopter flying over region show!) in the Tuesday and Thursday slot, along with their own current affairs strand whose name escapes me. Central Weekend was undoubtedly their flagship show though.

A bit of a sweeping generalisation here which might not even be the case, but would it be fair to say that the more content a region produced for the network the less they probably produced for their own region?


How many regions used to produce shows for the back half hour of the 6pm hours to. I know for a time Granada had shows at 6.30pm from Monday to Thursday, which I think included Crimefile (a local Crimewatch) and a cookery show with that woman who used to be on This Morning - and then Granada Tonight ran for an hour as Granada Weekend on Fridays before ultimately running for an hour every night.
SW
Steve Williams
How many regions used to produce shows for the back half hour of the 6pm hours to. I know for a time Granada had shows at 6.30pm from Monday to Thursday, which I think included Crimefile (a local Crimewatch) and a cookery show with that woman who used to be on This Morning - and then Granada Tonight ran for an hour as Granada Weekend on Fridays before ultimately running for an hour every night.


Well, I can give you chapter and verse on Granada's early evening scheduling as my mum and sister were mad keen on Home and Away. In 1992 they moved Home and Away to 5.10 and showed regional programming at 6pm, including Families (which of course Granada used to only show as an omnibus), repeats of Stars In Their Eyes and, on Friday, an hour long Granada Tonight, which I recall was fronted from a sofa with Bob Greaves while the rest of the week was John Huntley behind a desk, before Greaves and the sofa became commonplace throughout the week.

That only lasted until the end of the year though and in 1993 Home and Away moved back to six. But in 1997 they moved Home and Away to 5.10 and Granada Tonight to six, leaving to regional shows at 6.30. The interesting ones from a modern perspective are Girls Who Shop, presented by Trinny and Susannah, and Schools Challenge, which was exactly the same as University Challenge, same set, same theme tune, but presented by Mark Radcliffe - while he was doing the Radio 1 breakfast show! And they said he was too low profile. However they clearly struggled to fill the slot because on Wednesday they showed High Road in that slot. Clearly it was all a bit too much like hard work too because in 1998 Granada Tonight became an hour long. I assume it was a combination of that brantub at 6.30 and the arrival of Gordon Burns that saw North West Tonight beat Granada Tonight for the first time.

When I went to university I was now in the Central region and I have said here before that they seemed very big on Australian soaps, and when the national news moved from 5.40 to 6.30, and the regional hour began at 5.30, Central showed Shortland Street at 5.30 every day - a better slot than Home and Away, and opposite Neighbours! I think they were also the only region to show Echo Point, and also were one of the few regions to keep showing Home and Away at lunchtime when other regions dropped that screening towards the end of its life on ITV when they were trying to drag the audience down before they lost the rights.

They did loads of local programmes as well, of course. I think It's Your Shout was the current affairs show you might be thinking of, on Sunday afternoons. I only remember watching that before an FA Cup match one Sunday when they kept on losing the link and eventually abandoned it. And of course as Granada and LWT shared regional shows, so did Carlton and Central, I remember watching the second ever MOBO Awards on Central.

I've probably said this before but Carlton did a regional pop show for a while called Videotech and in late 1997 they did a special which I think was networked, it was certainly the only episode I ever saw on Central at 10.40 one night and I think they showed it in most regions as well over the course of a few weeks, presumably as a pilot for a potential networked series, but it never happened. And then nine months later CDUK arrived. Seems amazing now to think of regional pop shows and indeed, with London Bridge, a regional drama. These day ITV barely seem to be able to afford national drama.

Family Pride, the Asian soap, was on Central on Tuesdays at 8.30, usually opting out of a networked game show, I know they moved Wheel of Fortune to Sunday afternoons for it. But it ended in 1991, I think.
SW
Steve Williams
A bit of a sweeping generalisation here which might not even be the case, but would it be fair to say that the more content a region produced for the network the less they probably produced for their own region?


Well, not especially, but it's certainly true to say regional programming was probably a lower priority for the big five as they had other things to be getting on with. Also the big regions were the hardest to do regional programming for anyway becaue they were so big.

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