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RU
russnet Founding member
msim posted:
Agreed! Everyone saying goodbye to each other on the plane was incredibly emotional, I cant wait for tomorrows episode.


Unfortuntately the editing made to this episode didn't do this particular episode justice.

Take the original cut.
Plane goes down and as it makes its impact, the scene is faded to black to give you that sense of impact folloiwing by a fade to the characters in the water

The BBC's version
Plane goes down and as it makes its impact, the scene is cut and goes straight to a still of a full moon then cuts straight to the characters in the water. All in all gives no sense of what just happens and looks like something has been cut.
BE
benjy
russnet posted:
msim posted:
Agreed! Everyone saying goodbye to each other on the plane was incredibly emotional, I cant wait for tomorrows episode.


Unfortuntately the editing made to this episode didn't do this particular episode justice.

Take the original cut.
Plane goes down and as it makes its impact, the scene is faded to black to give you that sense of impact folloiwing by a fade to the characters in the water


I think the original version went to a break after the plane went down, leaving a few minutes before we see the aftermath. A rare case where breaks can add something to a programme!
TV
TVN
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.
SC
SCBNI
TVN posted:
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.


We didn't! Laughing
RU
russnet Founding member
benjy posted:
russnet posted:
msim posted:
Agreed! Everyone saying goodbye to each other on the plane was incredibly emotional, I cant wait for tomorrows episode.


Unfortuntately the editing made to this episode didn't do this particular episode justice.

Take the original cut.
Plane goes down and as it makes its impact, the scene is faded to black to give you that sense of impact folloiwing by a fade to the characters in the water


I think the original version went to a break after the plane went down, leaving a few minutes before we see the aftermath. A rare case where breaks can add something to a programme!


Agreed there was an advet break but they should have kept a fade to black which would have been better suited to the scene than some cr@ppy edit with a full moon
AS
Asa Admin
StevieB posted:
TVN posted:
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.


We didn't! Laughing


It's got to a point where credit squeezing is now the norm for Neighbours - even when it is squeezed for either a still image or (like tonight) a menu listing two programmes! (I'm sure every Neighbours fan is desperately looking forward to Open All Hours at 7).

It still amazes me that the squeezes are done so poorly with that half a second disjointed look which ITV is also guilty for. Surely some kit is around that can do frame accurate DVE?

As seen as Ten in Australia now have generic credits, hopefully some thought has been put into the credit design for the BBC when we get the new look.
MC
mccanmat
Ive seen the new 2006 Titles and they look like a 5 year old has been drawing in the background
MA
marksi
Asa posted:
StevieB posted:
TVN posted:
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.


We didn't! Laughing


It's got to a point where credit squeezing is now the norm for Neighbours - even when it is squeezed for either a still image or (like tonight) a menu listing two programmes! (I'm sure every Neighbours fan is desperately looking forward to Open All Hours at 7).

It still amazes me that the squeezes are done so poorly with that half a second disjointed look which ITV is also guilty for. Surely some kit is around that can do frame accurate DVE?

As seen as Ten in Australia now have generic credits, hopefully some thought has been put into the credit design for the BBC when we get the new look.


The DVE is frame accurate, but the problem is that you have to, at some point, move from the server port being the output, to the DVE device being the output with the server port routed through it. As the DVE will have to do some processing there is inevitably a repeat of a few frames as the DVE is inserted into the transmission chain. The time it goes into the chain is handled by the automation system, so you can't pick a moment of little movement in the vision to insert it.
DE
denton
marksi posted:
Asa posted:
StevieB posted:
TVN posted:
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.


We didn't! Laughing


It's got to a point where credit squeezing is now the norm for Neighbours - even when it is squeezed for either a still image or (like tonight) a menu listing two programmes! (I'm sure every Neighbours fan is desperately looking forward to Open All Hours at 7).

It still amazes me that the squeezes are done so poorly with that half a second disjointed look which ITV is also guilty for. Surely some kit is around that can do frame accurate DVE?

As seen as Ten in Australia now have generic credits, hopefully some thought has been put into the credit design for the BBC when we get the new look.


The DVE is frame accurate, but the problem is that you have to, at some point, move from the server port being the output, to the DVE device being the output with the server port routed through it. As the DVE will have to do some processing there is inevitably a repeat of a few frames as the DVE is inserted into the transmission chain. The time it goes into the chain is handled by the automation system, so you can't pick a moment of little movement in the vision to insert it.


I thought there was talk of a solution to this problem. Something along the lines of:

...when a programme is to have a DVE move on the end credits, the server port in question would be routed through another piece of kit from the start of the programme in order to create a delay.

That delayed version would take to air in place of the server port. The idea being that when the DVE kicked in, the two sources would be delayed by the same amount, therefore no jump would be visible.
MA
marksi
denton posted:
marksi posted:
Asa posted:
StevieB posted:
TVN posted:
And, of course, possibly the most emotionally charged episode of a series after 20 years........

and we still get a sodding announcer talking over the end credits.


We didn't! Laughing


It's got to a point where credit squeezing is now the norm for Neighbours - even when it is squeezed for either a still image or (like tonight) a menu listing two programmes! (I'm sure every Neighbours fan is desperately looking forward to Open All Hours at 7).

It still amazes me that the squeezes are done so poorly with that half a second disjointed look which ITV is also guilty for. Surely some kit is around that can do frame accurate DVE?

As seen as Ten in Australia now have generic credits, hopefully some thought has been put into the credit design for the BBC when we get the new look.


The DVE is frame accurate, but the problem is that you have to, at some point, move from the server port being the output, to the DVE device being the output with the server port routed through it. As the DVE will have to do some processing there is inevitably a repeat of a few frames as the DVE is inserted into the transmission chain. The time it goes into the chain is handled by the automation system, so you can't pick a moment of little movement in the vision to insert it.


I thought there was talk of a solution to this problem. Something along the lines of:

...when a programme is to have a DVE move on the end credits, the server port in question would be routed through another piece of kit from the start of the programme in order to create a delay.

That delayed version would take to air in place of the server port. The idea being that when the DVE kicked in, the two sources would be delayed by the same amount, therefore no jump would be visible.


This would require the automation system to handle such a thing, which I don't think it can do, at least not from the first frame of the programme.
MA
marksi
noggin posted:
The Nurse posted:
Davidjb posted:
It was never technically the long theme. Just long to us here in the UK as the BBC clip the end credits.


It's quite significantly longer in that video clip you linked to, why do the BBC cut it down? Apart from the "Thanks to" and the main sponsor slide at the end, I can't see that there is anything that they would want to cut - presumably it's just done for timing?


The Beeb have quite strict rules for the length of credits. It used to be a second for every minute of the show - so a 20 minute Neighbours would get a max of 20" for credits. However this may have been reduced further - and I think BBC Three has different rules and allow even less time for credits.


That's except for viewers of BBC Films.

There was one on BBC TWO last week with 5.24 of end credits. Five minutes and twenty-four seconds. No, really. White text, black background. Very slow scrolling.
MU
murf1000
The poor pilots of the plane did not even make the BBC credits.

Also nice to see the Irish language make its debut in Neighbours, when Conor started to pray, that had to be his own input to the storyline.

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