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(January 2010)

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LI
littlesmegger
So Dermot opens up before the awards about Blanche needing a post humorous award, and then when Corrie wins no mention of her? Confused

Very thoughtful cast...
NE
newsatten
So Dermot opens up before the awards about Blanche needing a post humorous award, and then when Corrie wins no mention of her? Confused

Very thoughtful cast...


I suppose Craig Gazey aka Graeme already had, but it wouldn't of hurt William to just have a quick mention!
DO
dosxuk
I think most shows that are broadcast on a delay started off live but due to something happening (usually pre-watershed swearing) people complain to Ofcom and the broadcaster says they will 'take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again' in return for Ofcom letting them off and that's when they bring in a delay.

How many programmes are broadcast on a delay? I think you'll find there's very few.


Indeed. I'm surprised nobody else commented on this "fact" that all live TV is delayed. The vast majority (and I'd guess a percentage in the high 90s) of live broadcasting in the UK is broadcast live, with the only delay being the one inherent in the broadcast system for encoding, decoding, routing and processing. It's only a very small number of high profile events (almost all with a history of complaints) that are broadcast with a delay for compliance reasons. I'd even go as far as to say there are more programmes broadcast with a delay for production reasons (like making it easier to hit cues/breaks/times) than those delayed in order to make get the programme through compliance.
IS
Inspector Sands
I think it's less than that really, the only programme I can think of which is on a live delay is Big Brother
BR
Brekkie
So Dermot opens up before the awards about Blanche needing a post humorous award, and then when Corrie wins no mention of her? Confused

Very thoughtful cast...


I suppose Craig Gazey aka Graeme already had, but it wouldn't of hurt William to just have a quick mention!

It would have hurt us though to here him say any more. They really should not let the fella speak in public - he makes Ken Barlow look interesting!
DA
David
I think it's less than that really, the only programme I can think of which is on a live delay is Big Brother


Its difficult to tell, even Big Brother sometimes claims to be live.

I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! is another example of a show that broadcasts with an artificial delay. Strictly Come Dancing and Dancing on Ice have recorded segments that are made to look live. Another family favourite, The Iraq Inquiry is broadcast with a 1 minute delay too.
IS
Inspector Sands
Its difficult to tell, even Big Brother sometimes claims to be live.

Anything involving the house won't and can't be live (and that's not an Ofcom thing of course, there are lots of legal issues involved) - the shows like Little Brother and Big Mouth probably are though

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Strictly Come Dancing and Dancing on Ice have recorded segments that are made to look live.

That's slightly different - pre-recording sections because they are complicated or logistically is a normal part of TV

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Another family favourite, The Iraq Inquiry is broadcast with a 1 minute delay too.

Yes of course, forgot about that... not an Ofcom thing either of course
DI
digipal
Sorry to moan, however I thought the whole presentation was quite poor (and I had high hopes)

The O2 is such a great venue, presentation wise, it just didn't work IMHO

The set was horrible (what was it all about), the sound pretty poor (full of echo) and the lighting flat as a pancake. And that little elevator thing on the stage seemed to be on a go-slow (I thought it had broken down when Dermot and Vanilla Ice came on stage)

If you watch the American award shows, on the whole, they just seem more professional. Eurovsion even seems to handle a live show in a vast arena quite well. Don't know what happend last night Sad

Quite liked the girl being picked from the audience to present an award (though it may turn out ot have been a set up)

And whilst I'm on a grump, why no ITV HD coverage?
Last edited by digipal on 21 January 2010 8:55pm - 3 times in total
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A former member
I think it's less than that really, the only programme I can think of which is on a live delay is Big Brother


The first Friday show is live along with BBLB, and im pretty sure Big Mouth is not. I don't understand why the NTA's couldn't be pure live if was not, it felt live so to speak although I guess that's the aim
ST
steddenm
The reason the National Television Awards have a slight broadcast delay (wasn't that long) is in case anybody accidently swears and they can bleep it out quickly - just like they do on I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here, Big Brother, The ONE Show, Loose Women, Paul O'Grady Show, Alan Titchmarsh Show, The Bill Live and in Februrary, EastEnders Live.

The only programme which is broadcast live, and not 'as-live', which has to be by law, are the National Lottery Draws. The Euromillions Draw does not have to be broadcast live in the UK, but does in the country of origin (France).

You can find out more about broadcast delays here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_delay#United_Kingdom

The reason for the delay is to comply with OFCOM's Broadcasting Code. In 2005 the BBC said that as part of their editorial guidelines there would also be a delay on sensitive news (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4121406.stm ).

Even GMTV has a broadcast delay of around seven seconds!

Broadcast delays on Internet and mobile-based TV channels (such as BBC One Live on iPlayer, ITV1 on ITV Player and via TVCatchUp.com) also have to have a delay in case adverts cannot be broadcast on these platforms. If you watch ITV1 via Vodafone, Orange or '3' TV you'll notice that some programmes, films or adverts are replaced with a static 'ITV1 will be back shortly' or promos for programming because the said show cannot be broadcast via the Internet.
DA
David
The reason the National Television Awards have a slight broadcast delay (wasn't that long) is in case anybody accidently swears and they can bleep it out quickly - just like they do on I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here, Big Brother, The ONE Show, Loose Women, Paul O'Grady Show, Alan Titchmarsh Show, The Bill Live and in Februrary, EastEnders Live.

Even GMTV has a broadcast delay of around seven seconds!

I'm pretty sure The One Show, Loose Women (on some days), The Paul O'Grady Show (on some days) and GMTV (excluding Lorraine Kelly on some days) are/were live. They have all broadcast some amount of swearing in the past.

The only programme which is broadcast live, and not 'as-live', which has to be by law, are the National Lottery Draws.

What is your source for this? It is obviously not true as some other shows are broadcast live as well.


Broadcast delays on Internet and mobile-based TV channels (such as BBC One Live on iPlayer, ITV1 on ITV Player and via TVCatchUp.com) also have to have a delay in case adverts cannot be broadcast on these platforms. If you watch ITV1 via Vodafone, Orange or '3' TV you'll notice that some programmes, films or adverts are replaced with a static 'ITV1 will be back shortly' or promos for programming because the said show cannot be broadcast via the Internet.

What has not being able to broadcast certain adverts or programmes got to do with broadcast delays? The online/mobile delay etc is a technical delay, not an editorial one. As for tvcatchup.com, isn't that an illegal website anyway? I doubt they care about individual programme rights or editorial content.
NG
noggin Founding member
The reason the National Television Awards have a slight broadcast delay (wasn't that long) is in case anybody accidently swears and they can bleep it out quickly - just like they do on I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here, Big Brother, The ONE Show, Loose Women, Paul O'Grady Show, Alan Titchmarsh Show, The Bill Live and in Februrary, EastEnders Live.

The only programme which is broadcast live, and not 'as-live', which has to be by law, are the National Lottery Draws. The Euromillions Draw does not have to be broadcast live in the UK, but does in the country of origin (France).

You can find out more about broadcast delays here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_delay#United_Kingdom

The reason for the delay is to comply with OFCOM's Broadcasting Code. In 2005 the BBC said that as part of their editorial guidelines there would also be a delay on sensitive news (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4121406.stm ).

Even GMTV has a broadcast delay of around seven seconds!

Broadcast delays on Internet and mobile-based TV channels (such as BBC One Live on iPlayer, ITV1 on ITV Player and via TVCatchUp.com) also have to have a delay in case adverts cannot be broadcast on these platforms. If you watch ITV1 via Vodafone, Orange or '3' TV you'll notice that some programmes, films or adverts are replaced with a static 'ITV1 will be back shortly' or promos for programming because the said show cannot be broadcast via the Internet.



I'm sorry - you're completely wrong on this. The One Show, all network news bulletins, and shows like Strictly, are almost universally broadcast un-delayed live (when live) - though of course pre-recording sequences that cannot be achieved live has always been a production tool (though this isn't a delay, it is a pre-recording - the transmission of the item takes place after the recording of the item has finished).

Similarly only a very few live contributions from News events are delayed - and those that are should never have "LIVE" on-screen over them. (When two live events happen at the same time it is possible to delay coverage of one until the other has finished, rather than crashing into the second mid-way through)

Any delay that is present on theses shows is entirely the result of the transmission path (some compressed circuits introduce a GOP delay which can be 1/2" to a couple of seconds) and is not for compliance purposes. The transmission path varies widely depending upon how you watch. Analogue off-air in London is almost delay-free, whereas Freeview in some areas may be much more delayed, as is satellite.

The delay on many streamed services is mainly a result of compression and buffering - certainly there is no compliance related delay on BBC One, BBC News etc. when streamed to the web or mobiles - the delay you see is merely a result of an additional compression stage, the delivery to a CDN (Content Delivery Network) and then the local player code buffering prior to replay. Some streamed services actually source their video from satellite or freeview off-air receivers, so their source is already delayed...

Some "live" shows may chose to use an additional delay for compliance reasons (if there is an issue of control over a guest who is widely known for swearing), or for security in case something goes wrong (such as a live drama) - but many live shows still don't.

Your suggestion that most live shows, apart from the Lottery, are delayed for compliance reasons is, I'm afraid, totally wrong.

There are also some shows that are broadcast with much longer delays to allow editing. The BAFTA awards used to go on-air a good hour after they'd actually started, but before they'd finished. The production team were thus able to cut-down some award acceptance monologues, so that the final show took up a shorter time-slot (and again they could remove bad language or legally contentious comments etc.) than the actual event (and was less boring to watch). However this is a very different sort of delay to a 15"-1'00" compliance delay.

Most live galleries I've worked in still watch an analogue network or off-air feed to see themselves go on-air, which is normally only a few frames delayed...

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