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asking for advice (February 2016)

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DE
deejay

Some Ceefax music has been retrospectively commercially released, or was actually commercially released in the first place (but not in the uk). I've often wondered quite how the relatively obscure Japanese piano/jazz artist Himiko Kikuchi and film score composer Vladimir Cosma actually ended up on several Ceefax tapes...


This one?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gml9OlcklcY


Yup, that's the original version of the track Make Up in the Morning, which appeared, slightly edited, on Hazel Crest along with For My Buddy (and maybe some others too).

Here she is playing For My Buddy live in concert.


The Cosma track I was referring to was the theme to a peculiar French short film called L'Animal and ended up being the title track of Ceefax tape "Europa Time". Given the cracking (and authentic) 70s vibe going on in this piece, younger forumers may be staggered to learn it was used by the BBC as late as 1998 during the gap between BBC Two's last programme and The Learning Zone:
http://youtu.be/UjeDhqLuj5c

Quite often these tracks, however they ended up on Ceefax tapes, were given new names, something which has bedevilled the good folk at the Testcard Circle for years in their research.
JA
james-2001
Were Oracle pages ever shown in vision? I only remember C4 showing 4-Tel on View.


From what I've read they were in the early days, each hour there was a 15 minute rotation between Oracle, 4-tel and ETP-1. I think Oracle had gone by the end of the 80s though (around the same time the Channel 4 Daily launched, I think).

Sadly Chris Williams's crap makes it hard at times for people to determine what's real and what isn't. And maybe dismiss something real as fake.
Si-Co and Steve in Pudsey gave kudos
SC
Si-Co
Were Oracle pages ever shown in vision? I only remember C4 showing 4-Tel on View.


From what I've read they were in the early days, each hour there was a 15 minute rotation between Oracle, 4-tel and ETP-1. I think Oracle had gone by the end of the 80s though (around the same time the Channel 4 Daily launched, I think).

Sadly Chris Williams's crap makes it hard at times for people to determine what's real and what isn't. And maybe dismiss something real as fake.


Yes, '4-Tel on View' used to be shown on the hour from about 9am, for 15 minutes, with 'Oracle on View' shown on the half hour for 15 minutes, with the remaining segments being taken up by the test card.

From October 1984, when C4 began starting up at 2.30pm, the arrangement changed to what you describe, James - 4-Tel at 00, Oracle at 15, 4-Tel at 30 then the testcard at 45.

This lasted until September 1987 when schools began at 9.30, although I think the pattern was similar prior to 9.30. I don't know what happened once C4 Daily began in 1989.
SC
Si-Co
Just to add, I was always fascinated by the change between 4-Tel and Oracle and vice versa at 15 and 30 mins past the hour. You could see the new page number being manually selected on the decoder/generator and the system searching for the new page. Just like you would see on your own teletext set at home! This was often done by someone with 'big thumbs' with the wrong page being momentarily searched for or displayed.

In the 80s, 4-Tel on View was on P496 (later P466) and Oracle on View on P596 (later P599, I think). P465 was a few pages of programme previews with a follows shortly caption at the top, which tended to be changed a couple of times a day and shown as a break-filler.

All these pages could of course be called up at any time on your teletext set at home.

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