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The Murder of Jill Dando

BBC One Tuesday 2nd April 9pm (March 2019)

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Brekkie
I do feel it’s important to say that at the time Jill Dando was the BBC, at least in the eyes of many viewers. She was the most prominent public face that the Corporation had. The mix of news, factual programming and light entertainment that she presented combined to make her the main face of the BBC. Like the aforementioned Desmond Lynam she had a real gift for connecting with the public.
All this arguing over who was or wasn’t hosting the news. This shows that the much derided process of making a log of who was presenting the news is useful, if only someone did this 20 years ago!

It really doesn't.
TopOfTheHour, Joe and Inspector Sands gave kudos
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buster
On a similar subject, the day of the Omagh bombing had a repeat of the previous year’s Harry Enfield Christmas Special (it was August, you used to get loads of that sort of thing and no one would think anything of it). It ends with a full length parody of Perfect Day, and I recall they faded it out very quickly on the preceding sketch and went to the news early. I’m guessing someone in compliance decided that they simply couldn’t put a long sketch about how amazing today had been when in fact dozens had died, directly before the news, so rather than pull the whole programme they just pulled it off air a bit earlier.
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A former member

I don't think it's the case that the Six presenter would do the daytime summaries, certainly in the eighties, because Richard Whitmore did them for the first few years and he never did the Six. Indeed it said somewhere that he knew his days were numbered at the Beeb because Nicholas Witchell fell ill one afternoon and couldn't do the Six, and Whitmore was in the building doing the daytime bulletins and volunteered to do it, and they said they didn't want him and dragged in Andrew Harvey from home. And in the eighties and early nineties it would be people like Lynette Lithgow and Lisa Davidson who never did the Six either.


That is bad, I wonder why Whitmore had fallen out of fashion? I wonder if it would have been different if Moira was in during the bulletins, special since she did pop up to do the six and Nine.

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Xilla
I remember ITV having Die Hard With a Vengeance scheduled a day or so after a major rail crash. End result was a large chunk of the sequence set in the subway being cut (in a way that didn't make much sense).

IIRC Channel 4 also switched 2 episodes of South Park around due to Omagh, leading to the Halloween epispde being aired the week after the Xmas one.
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davidhorman
Xilla posted:
I remember ITV having Die Hard With a Vengeance scheduled a day or so after a major rail crash. End result was a large chunk of the sequence set in the subway being cut (in a way that didn't make much sense).


Die Hard 2 also once aired a day or two after a rail crash, on ITV I think. There was a line referencing British Rail (a stewardess on a British flight says "We're just like British Rail love, we get you there in the end.") which I was impressed to see had been spotted and cut.
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Inspector Sands

Well, the current presenter of Desert Island Discs is Kirsty Young who are of similar ages and background, and I could imagine Dando doing something like that - especially as Kirsty Young does the Royal Weddings and things like that, and Dando was involved in things like the VE Day anniversary.

Yes similar backgrounds but I don't think Kirsty has don't the lifestyle programmes that Jill did, she is quite a bit younger too. Mind you the current (temporary) presenter of DID has a totally different background to any of the previous ones

You're right though, if she'd stayed in broadcasting she'd have been one of the go-tos for the big events
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Steve Williams
On a similar subject, the day of the Omagh bombing had a repeat of the previous year’s Harry Enfield Christmas Special (it was August, you used to get loads of that sort of thing and no one would think anything of it). It ends with a full length parody of Perfect Day, and I recall they faded it out very quickly on the preceding sketch and went to the news early. I’m guessing someone in compliance decided that they simply couldn’t put a long sketch about how amazing today had been when in fact dozens had died, directly before the news, so rather than pull the whole programme they just pulled it off air a bit earlier.


I remember this, it cut straight from the penultimate sketch to the copyright board, but I think the reason for this might have been because BBC1 were running late that night because of the newsflashes and they wanted to get to the news on time, so they simply lost that sketch to get back on schedule. I was most annoyed at the time because it had been my favourite bit of the special and, presumably for music rights reasons, it wasn't on the episode when it was released on video.

The best thing is, while they edited that sketch out, they didn't edit out the earlier sketch starring Harry as William Ulsterman.
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A former member
This one?
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Inspector Sands

There was another infamous moment that night, as C4 showed an episode of Smack The Pony where one of the sketches was a parody of glossy adverts with a posh woman striding around a posh flat, the joke being that all the on-screen captions were slagging her off for being so posh and smug, the final one being "a small explosive device would **** this up nicely".

At the end of the programme they did an apology about the reference to explosives, saying it was "too late" for that sketch to be edited out. Of course, that was no excuse and if that had really been the case they'd almost certainly have just dropped the show completely. They clearly just totally forgot it was in there.


The other unfortunate co-incidence was the promo that was all over the BBC at the time of Jill Dando's death, I can't remember what it was for but it was a big push of something. The tune used was That's Life by Frank Sinatra with the following lyrics prominently on it:

That's life (that's life) that's what people say
You're riding high in April
Shot down in May


It was quickly pulled and then re-edited to dip the audio to try and hide the unfortunate line. It didn't really work and sounded awful but there wasn't really much else they could do other than totally remake it
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BM11
Remember the Micheal Jackson sketch hanked off TNT on Channel 4 as news of his death broke.
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Revolution
I do feel it’s important to say that at the time Jill Dando was the BBC, at least in the eyes of many viewers. She was the most prominent public face that the Corporation had. The mix of news, factual programming and light entertainment that she presented combined to make her the main face of the BBC. Like the aforementioned Desmond Lynam she had a real gift for connecting with the public.

She was. I remember the Queen and Tony Blair sent their condolences. Apparently Lynam hosted a half-hour tribute show the evening of her death while ITV also had ran a programme. A journalist in the Times was scathing of the former, she was constantly referred to as "Jill" and it came across as unprofessional.

On a similar subject, the day of the Omagh bombing had a repeat of the previous year’s Harry Enfield Christmas Special (it was August, you used to get loads of that sort of thing and no one would think anything of it). It ends with a full length parody of Perfect Day, and I recall they faded it out very quickly on the preceding sketch and went to the news early. I’m guessing someone in compliance decided that they simply couldn’t put a long sketch about how amazing today had been when in fact dozens had died, directly before the news, so rather than pull the whole programme they just pulled it off air a bit earlier.

I think I posted on another thread how when the Queen Mother died, the Premiership on ITV didn't begin with its usual titles. After the Coca Cola sponsor, a shot of the studio and then close up to Des who said it was inappropriate to play "Beautiful Day". And then they went straight to the Leeds United game.
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Markyboy81
That definitely makes sense. My recollection of that era was that the Six second presenter read the daytime summaries. So, it wasn't out of the ordinary for Jennie to have presented the newsflash. The One presenter may have already left and Jennie was the duty bulletin presenter at that moment. That would have allowed the Six main presenter to prepare for the Six.




Is it not also possible that the One team would routinely come off air and go straight for lunch?


I don't think it's the case that the Six presenter would do the daytime summaries, certainly in the eighties, because Richard Whitmore did them for the first few years and he never did the Six. Indeed it said somewhere that he knew his days were numbered at the Beeb because Nicholas Witchell fell ill one afternoon and couldn't do the Six, and Whitmore was in the building doing the daytime bulletins and volunteered to do it, and they said they didn't want him and dragged in Andrew Harvey from home. And in the eighties and early nineties it would be people like Lynette Lithgow and Lisa Davidson who never did the Six either.

Obviously things may have been different in the late nineties but I'm pretty sure it was usually a different presenter for the daytime summaries - it was quite a long shift, starting at 9am and going on until 4pm. It is the case that Jennie Bond was doing the daytime summaries and the Six that day but I think that was very much an exception (as mentioned, she certainly wasn't billed as doing the Six in the Radio Times).

In the virtual era it was most certainly the case that the daytime summaries would be read by the second presenter of the Six. The exception being in the early days of the virtual era when Anna Ford was the secondary presenter to Peter Sissons.

Moira, Jennie. Andrew and Jill would normally do the bulletins throughout the day on BBC1 and BBC2 and they would later join the lead presenter on the Six.

I would imagine it's no different to at the weekend now when there's a presenter on the news channel but someone else comes in to do the BBC1 bulletins.

However it's sad to say but there is still a degree of ageism in broadcasting, if you look at her contemporaries in TV they've a mixed bag of career paths. Would she have been a Carol Smilie and gone elsewhere then disappeared? Would she have been got rid of from her long running gig and then been just a contributor like Carol Vorderman? Or would she have left the public eye to raise a family and do other things, then come back in low profile gigs like Anneka Rice? The nearest person in terms of age and talents I can think of is Lorraine Kelly who has basically been doing the same thing for 30 years.

Personally I think she'd have done Crimewatch with a few odd factual series here and now she'd probably have a high profile radio gig, Desert Island Discs or lunchtime Radio 2 would be the two she'd have been best suited to, or Woman's Hour


Well, the current presenter of Desert Island Discs is Kirsty Young who are of similar ages and background, and I could imagine Dando doing something like that - especially as Kirsty Young does the Royal Weddings and things like that, and Dando was involved in things like the VE Day anniversary. As I say, I think someone like Fiona Phillips might be the nearest thing, doing various one-off docs and the odd series.

That's what Wikipedia says, although the source article it cites for that 'fact' doesn't mention it at all. In any case, Genome suggests she wasn't down to present at all that week, and we know she'd stopped reading the news at that point anyway.


Yes, as mentioned she'd already stopped reading the news in February. Actually that obit does mention that at one point she was going to be part of the revamped news and potentially do the Six but some of the bosses weren't that sure about her being the lead presenter because she was too lightweight, so seemingly she decided that rather go through the process of having to do pilots and presumably all the gossip about who was and wasn't going to do it, she decided to just leave.

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