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scottishtv Founding member
Maybe we should wait to see what the actual product is (if any) before putting it in the TV Forum bin?
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Ne1L C
Meridian AM posted:
Lester posted:
Omnipresent posted:
There was also "The Morning Show" on BBC1 around 2003 which, I think, launched with more a focus on news.

I suspect you know who will have something to say about the BBC launching a new magazine format straight after BBC Breakfast.


Why can't the BBC offer an alternative instead of trying to be what it's not, commercial...


Lack of new ideas and it's cheap to make.


Here's an idea. Use the post Breakfast slot as a "testing ground" for new ideas.
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Jonwo
BBC One do plenty of live shows in that slot throughout the year already, whatever they’re proposing is probably consolidating them into one show which is more cost effective.

I suspect it’ll just be at 9.15am for 45 minutes or an hour so that the rest of the daytime schedule is unaffected.

Brekkie posted:
adamiow posted:
Given that they axed Victoria Derbyshire due to budget cuts, whilst I appreciate it is a different type of show, launching another live show in a similar time slot is a bit rude. Clearly, if Victoria had offered to add some fluffy content and chatting with celebs, the show might have survived!

Exactly - VD could easily have been reworked for a more mainstream BBC1 audience without going too far down the This Morning/One Show type route, and would at least be a point of difference to This Morning.

Personally I'd rather they finally listened to what a few reports have suggested they should do and restore a proper Saturday morning show to BBC1 and rework Saturday Kitchen as a daily show.

A Saturday Morning kids show on BBC One in 2020 is never going to happen.
Last edited by Jonwo on 20 September 2020 1:24pm
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Brekkie
Well they've used that slot for various live magazine shows in recent years anyway, most of which only run a few weeks and generally come from The One Show studio. Possible they're looking to do something similar to what The One Show did in primetime and fold various consumer shows into one new brand.
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JAS84
Meridian AM posted:
Full article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8751849/amp/Look-Holly-Phil-BBC-launch-rival-Morning.html

Favourites to host it include Rylan, Ore, Alex and Stacey.
It will be interesting to see how it affects This Morning ratings, as This Morning with Phillip, Holly, Eamonn and Ruth is so established.

Jonwo posted:
I suspect it’ll just be at 9.15am for 45 minutes or an hour so that the rest of the daytime schedule is unaffected.
Which means it won't affect This Morning's ratings at all, it won't clash.
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Meridian AM
JAS84 posted:
Meridian AM posted:
Full article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8751849/amp/Look-Holly-Phil-BBC-launch-rival-Morning.html

Favourites to host it include Rylan, Ore, Alex and Stacey.
It will be interesting to see how it affects This Morning ratings, as This Morning with Phillip, Holly, Eamonn and Ruth is so established.

Jonwo posted:
I suspect it’ll just be at 9.15am for 45 minutes or an hour so that the rest of the daytime schedule is unaffected.
Which means it won't affect This Morning's ratings at all, it won't clash.


So the Mail's headline, 'Look out Holly and Phillip' is over dramatic then.
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Steve in Pudsey
commseng posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Yes and no. The BBC isn't like other broadcasters, because of the unique way it's funded.

Part of the justification for the license fee is that it funds programmes that aren't viable on a commercial basis. Putting on a very similar show to that on a commercial channel doesn't really fit with that.

Not every programme has to be impossible to show on a commercial channel.
Would Casualty (to pick one programme at random) be impossible for Channel 4, or Sky One to make?
No.
Should the BBC be prevented from making it or any popular programme?
Absolutely not.


I think you're missing some of the nuance here. I'm suggesting that doing a very similar programme to that already offered by ITV and putting it in broadly the same slot is not a good look for the BBC.

Developing a new show that Channel 4 or Sky could also have commissioned is very different from doing what the opposition are already doing at more or less the same time.
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Andrew Founding member
Brekkie posted:
Well they've used that slot for various live magazine shows in recent years anyway, most of which only run a few weeks and generally come from The One Show studio. Possible they're looking to do something similar to what The One Show did in primetime and fold various consumer shows into one new brand.

Which would mean Crimewatch would be downgraded even further

Gone from a prime time slot to an occasional daytime show, to an item every now and then in a generic magazine

If it is only 9:15-10:00 then thats fine, but if they were seriously thinking about launching a longer magazine across the whole morning, you'd have to ask questions.

Who knew that This Morning was so successful every channel now wants their own version
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Cando
scottishtv posted:
Maybe we should wait to see what the actual product is (if any) before putting it in the TV Forum bin?


Indeed, a lot of tedious and OTT speculation here based on an article which has very little detail and a misleading headline.

Meridian AM posted:
JAS84 posted:
Meridian AM posted:
Full article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8751849/amp/Look-Holly-Phil-BBC-launch-rival-Morning.html

Favourites to host it include Rylan, Ore, Alex and Stacey.
It will be interesting to see how it affects This Morning ratings, as This Morning with Phillip, Holly, Eamonn and Ruth is so established.

Jonwo posted:
I suspect it’ll just be at 9.15am for 45 minutes or an hour so that the rest of the daytime schedule is unaffected.
Which means it won't affect This Morning's ratings at all, it won't clash.


So the Mail's headline, 'Look out Holly and Phillip' is over dramatic then.

Excactly, unlikely to even clash.
Jonwo posted:
BBC One do plenty of live shows in that slot throughout the year already, whatever they’re proposing is probably consolidating them into one show which is more cost effective..


Indeed RIP Off Britain Live is unlikely to return for the forseeable future anyway given the age of the 3 presenters
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davidhorman
Steve in Pudsey posted:
The BBC isn't like other broadcasters, because of the unique way it's funded.


That sounds like it should be read by David Attenborough in a promo.
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johnnyboy Founding member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
If this is true it does seem like it's giving a lot of ammunition to the BBC bashers, but I think there is a legitimate question about whether the BBC should be trying to take viewers from a well established show.

To me, the license fee should be being used to produce something distinctive, not this kind of cynical "me too" effort.


Agreed, Steve. I am a BBC lover and always have been but this is not the type of activity they should be concentrating on right now.

Personally, I think BBC1 and 2 during the day should either show archive material, news, and educational/public service programme.

Commercial channels find it a lot harder to make money in off peak hours. They should be left to it as much as possible.

However at peak time, all is fair in love, war, and must see TV so all channels, howsoever funded, should bring out their big guns.
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Inspector Sands
johnnyboy posted:

Agreed, Steve. I am a BBC lover and always have been but this is not the type of activity they should be concentrating on right now.

Personally, I think BBC1 and 2 during the day should either show archive material, news, and educational/public service programme.

What nonsense, so it should stop doing what it's done for 32 years?

As everyone keeps saying whatever they're planning (and we don't know what the idea is) it won't be anything new. BBC daytime has always had a mix of lifestyle, factual and public service programmes and that's how it should be. I don't see that a daytime One Show would fall foul of that, it's a very worthy programme at the best of times

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