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Inspector Sands
noggin posted:

Sorry - you are wrong on that score - which is why I was specifically talking about the "standard" ITV1 feed on the router.

The standard ITV1 off-air feed on the SCAR router is a 14P16 ARCed version of a 4:3 analogue off-air feed (complete with ghosting) - NOT 16F16.


Ahh, i know it always was like that but assumed that they'd com up with a better solution by now

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(Or were you using the phrase "Double ARCed" in the sloppy newsroom manner that News 24 used to use - meaning any material that was tall and thin because it had been ARCed when it shouldn't have been - dating back to the days when everything was shot 4:3 apart from the studio cameras, so all external material had to be ARCed once, so if it was tall and thin it had been "Double ARCed")


Yes, double ARced as in ARCed needlessly.
NG
noggin Founding member
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

It is, of course, possible that a DSat or DTT receiver that happened also to be tuned to ITV1 was routed to the input of the news package - though my money is on the switch happening upstream.


Where was the actual remote studio ? I assume at Nationwide's HQ. If so, it might well have been at switching error at a Telco. Arqiva and/or BT probably have ITV contribution and distribution feeds in their system, and one of them would have been routing Nationwide's studio to the Beeb.

BT famously got their wires crossed many years ago in Cardiff, and got the four channels muddled up on the feeds to Wenvoe for a few seconds.


Yep - very possible it was a switching error on the way into the BBC - and I suspect that was a BT switched feed.
NG
noggin Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
noggin posted:

Sorry - you are wrong on that score - which is why I was specifically talking about the "standard" ITV1 feed on the router.

The standard ITV1 off-air feed on the SCAR router is a 14P16 ARCed version of a 4:3 analogue off-air feed (complete with ghosting) - NOT 16F16.


Ahh, i know it always was like that but assumed that they'd com up with a better solution by now


Nope - if only someone would produce a low cost device that took an RGB SCART with pin 8 signalling output, dynamically ARC it based on the pin 8 signal AND embed the audio and serialise the result, it would be a really neat solution for recording from Digiboxes...
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(Or were you using the phrase "Double ARCed" in the sloppy newsroom manner that News 24 used to use - meaning any material that was tall and thin because it had been ARCed when it shouldn't have been - dating back to the days when everything was shot 4:3 apart from the studio cameras, so all external material had to be ARCed once, so if it was tall and thin it had been "Double ARCed")


Yes, double ARced as in ARCed needlessly.


Ah - yep - so not really double-ARCed at all, just incorrectly ARCed.
IS
Inspector Sands
noggin posted:
Nope - if only someone would produce a low cost device that took an RGB SCART with pin 8 signalling output, dynamically ARC it based on the pin 8 signal AND embed the audio and serialise the result, it would be a really neat solution for recording from Digiboxes...


Not long now till they need to find a solution - presumably it's not that much of a problem now that so much of ITV is in 16:9 anyway

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Ah - yep - so not really double-ARCed at all, just incorrectly ARCed.


In this case yes, but it's a catch-all phrase for brevity. Everything where I work has to be 16:9 so if it's the wrong shape it's either 'not ARCd' or 'Double ARCd'
NG
noggin Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
noggin posted:
Nope - if only someone would produce a low cost device that took an RGB SCART with pin 8 signalling output, dynamically ARC it based on the pin 8 signal AND embed the audio and serialise the result, it would be a really neat solution for recording from Digiboxes...


Not long now till they need to find a solution - presumably it's not that much of a problem now that so much of ITV is in 16:9 anyway


Yep - though with the advent of Jupiter editing - where journalists can't easily change the aspect ratio of recordings after they have made them - ensuring a recording is a consistent aspect ratio is even more important than it used to be. There are also issues with sporting events shot in 4:3 but broadcast in pillarboxed 12P16 - which will be postage stamp on analogue...

Still not easy to get right.

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Ah - yep - so not really double-ARCed at all, just incorrectly ARCed.


In this case yes, but it's a catch-all phrase for brevity. Everything where I work has to be 16:9 so if it's the wrong shape it's either 'not ARCd' or 'Double ARCd'


Yep - doesn't make it right! I think I remember the phrase being coined around 1997 when News 24 was the first real 16:9 outlet in the BBC, and the only one which had to worry about aspect ratio. In those days News 24 had control of their own aspect ratio converters on all their incoming outside sources - as the rest of News was still entirely 4:3 - so anything routed from outside was almost universally 4:3 - and only News 24 needed to ARC it.

Double ARCing usually happened when someone assumed that a VT or Profile recording was 4:3 and ARCed it, when in fact the material had already been ARCed once and was already in the 16:9 domain. (This was often the case when material was recorded via an ARCed OS or had been taken off the studio loop)

Almost instantly the phrase became sloppy shorthand for "tall thin pictures" - so was used to describe 16:9 full-width full-height material that had been ARCed as if it were 4:3. It had only been through one ARC process - not two - but the appearance was similar to 4:3 material that had been ARCed twice - though the pillarbox bars were smaller than a double 14P16 pass.
MA
Markymark
noggin posted:

Nope - if only someone would produce a low cost device that took an RGB SCART with pin 8 signalling output, dynamically ARC it based on the pin 8 signal AND embed the audio and serialise the result, it would be a really neat solution for recording from Digiboxes...


Someone should have a word with DB Broadcast. Their Hawkeye range comes close, and could be enhanced to provide an integral ARC and (HD)SDI output.

http://www.dbbroadcast.co.uk/

13 days later

TE
tellywatcher
Poor Phil.

http://vid160.photobucket.com/albums/t176/zukeylukey/Phil_Avery_BBC_weather.flv

Looks as if he was told he had some extra time, then all changed at the last minute.
ST
stevek
granada reports lost their webcam view tonight and started with the same view we were seeing, of the presenters with the screen behind them, dissapearing into infinity, followed by a count down clock, the Granada Sports logo then the web view Confused

so now we all know it's not a window Laughing
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Stuart
stevek posted:
so now we all know it's not a window Laughing

Bless, did you think it was? Wink Anyway, it's a shame they weren't a bit closer to the screen, the 'infinity effect' would have looked quite stunning:

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/gran1a.jpg
http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/gran1b.jpg
http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/gran1c.jpg
Pictures from ITV Local
JO
Jonny

Looks like something off The Day Today Laughing
JO
Joe
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Anyway, it's a shame they weren't a bit closer to the screen, the 'infinity effect' would have looked quite stunning.

Sarcasm?
ST
stevek
StuartPlymouth posted:
stevek posted:
so now we all know it's not a window Laughing

Bless, did you think it was? :wink


No. How could it be, you can see the studio they're in in the background

you can see that view on the ITV.com website amongst others.
(any ideas where the webcam is though)

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