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IS
Inspector Sands
SOL posted:
During the fault on This Week last night, Scotland saw the silent network slide apologising before cutting to the BBC 1 Scotland slide complete with ident music Very Happy


Interesting on the clip of the breakdown on iplayer that the announcement happened just as the 'BBC One' logo animated. Presumably this is recorded onto the looped apology slide.

Quite a nice idea as it's one less thing for the director to worry about in a breakdown
SC
scottishtv Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
SOL posted:
What happens if all the adverts aren't played out for whatever reason? Are the advertisers refunded?


There's clauses in the contracts for ad sales which take account of adverts not going out for technical or editorial reasons.

Very few are 'spot adverts' - a company will buy a campaign over a certain amount of time so if a commercial is missed it'll normally just be rescheduled for another time.

That said, it is very rare for an ad break to to technically fail, such is their importance.


I was watching Paramount Comedy 1 on Virgin Media earlier tonight, and a McDonald's ad played out. Nothing wrong with that you might say, except it was for a burger which is just €1 as part of the "Eurosaver" menu.

The ad wasn't a p*sstake of Europe or anything along those lines, so I'm assuming the ad meant for Ireland and somehow ended up getting put in the wrong player somewhere. Certainly confused me for a minute.
DB
dbl
Another Working Lunch cock up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00bv50f.shtml

Skip to 20:50

A live link interview turns into Loose Women and back Laughing
SO
SOL
lol how the hell did that happen? Laughing
ST
Stuart
SOL posted:
lol how the hell did that happen? Laughing

Presumably this was just the wrong feed into the studio. I suppose it's an ever present hazard when Red Bee are doing virtually everyone's playout, although I have no idea how down-the-line interviews are handled, maybe they don't even go anywhere near Red Bee's part of the process.

I'm sure noggin will be able to enlighten us.
IS
Inspector Sands
StuartPlymouth posted:
SOL posted:
lol how the hell did that happen? Laughing

Presumably this was just the wrong feed into the studio. I suppose it's an ever present hazard when Red Bee are doing virtually everyone's playout, although I have no idea how down-the-line interviews are handled, maybe they don't even go anywhere near Red Bee's part of the process.


It's nothing to do with who's doing the playout not that Red Bee have anything to do with ITV - and it would be very unlikely to happen even then. Not a stick to bash Red Bee with especially as I remember at least one occasion of a wrong channel going out on the BBC when it was done in house!

All Red Bee do is take the finished programme output from the studio and send it to air.... they don't have anything to do with the componant parts of a programme, the presentation department never did.


It looks like the feed into the outside source to the studio was changed. The sources into each studio, as well as every other destination in the news department is on a touch screen router. When you have a 2-way like this the engineers 'package' the pictures, sound, return audio etc up and give it to the studio on one of their outside lines

No idea where the interviewee was but it was a 4:3 source ARCd for the programme. Notice that the aspect ratio of Loose Women is wrong, looks like they replaced the feed with ITV1 (which is on the router, as ar many other channels) as the ARCing stayed in place. It was almost certainly done elsewhere rather than in the gallery - if it was another gallery source that got cut up, we'd have seen the vision but not the sound or vice versa - the odds of both the sound and vision mixer making the same mistake at the same time are very high! This is the reason why I always double check every route I make, very easy to take something off air!

It could have been a lot worse, look at the first item on this clip: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnhjiEDZ0g Shocked
PT
Put The Telly On
Inspector Sands posted:


It could have been a lot worse, look at the first item on this clip: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnhjiEDZ0g Shocked


Hahaha that first outtake was just an insight into the mind of Stringfellow! Laughing
ST
Stuart
Inspector Sands posted:
It's nothing to do with who's doing the playout not that Red Bee have anything to do with ITV - and it would be very unlikely to happen even then.

My mistake. I was getting confused as Red Bee do ITVs idents. A little googling shows that ITV's playout is done by Thomson Confused
TE
tellywatcher
Tomasz Schafernaker having a strop, very funny indeed.

http://vid160.photobucket.com/albums/t176/zukeylukey/Thomaz_Strop02.flv
R2
r2ro
tellywatcher posted:
Tomasz Schafernaker having a strop, very funny indeed.

http://vid160.photobucket.com/albums/t176/zukeylukey/Thomaz_Strop02.flv


Now that's a good one! He certainly wasn't impressed.
AS
Asa Admin
Brilliant. I thought the BBC One showing was live? After the news ended we got a silent slide for Parorama because the anno microphone wasn't faded up before then going to the weather.
NG
noggin Founding member
StuartPlymouth posted:
SOL posted:
lol how the hell did that happen? Laughing

Presumably this was just the wrong feed into the studio. I suppose it's an ever present hazard when Red Bee are doing virtually everyone's playout, although I have no idea how down-the-line interviews are handled, maybe they don't even go anywhere near Red Bee's part of the process.

I'm sure noggin will be able to enlighten us.


Nothing to do with Red Bee - they only handle the BBC Two channel playout out - and that was very definitely a problem that happened in the studio, or before the studio, not after.

Without knowing what happened exactly it is impossible to say whether :

1. The Gallery Outside source the interview was routed in on was routed away to a different source - either from within the gallery or outside.
2. The line that was bringing that outside source into the BBC was routed away to a different source.
3. The studio that was providing the down the line switched away their output to ITV.

It is quite clear that it wasn't a vision mixing error though - and was a routing issue - as the sound disappeared with the vision.

It is also not a case of a standard ITV1 source from the BBC News router being cut up - as that would have been the right shape.

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