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MK
Mr Kite
Mr Kite posted:
The thing is, I could've swore I saw a Westcountry one, complete with a white 'W' in the blue square where the company logo is for most of the other companies. Did anyone ever have a good look at this, maybe in person? As the network centre represented all the ITV companies, they all must've been there but I'm curious about what the plaque showed for, say, Grampian, and if I saw the Westcountry one as I imagined.

You didn't imagine it, I know the board you mean which appeared on the news stories, and there was definitely a hearts-style logo on that board for Westcountry, but not one for Central or Carlton London.

It has been reported that originally only Central was going to be re-branded, Westcountry was going to survive and simply change to using the standard hearts idents. It has also been claimed that hearts idents for Westcountry were actually made and ready to run, with the decision to rebrand as Carlton made very late in the day.

There could well be some legs to this, especially since Westcountry was still introducing new idents up until April/May 1999, long after Central had been de-caked (the very final set introduced by Westcountry were even made in widescreen whilst all other idents in use on ITV at the time were still 4:3, giving Westcountry the dubious honour of being the first ITV station to have Widescreen idents).


Good to know I didn't imagine the Westcountry one. So what did Carlton and Central have to represent them? The star idents? I take it STV and UTV also had their own non-heart representation on the wall?

I've heard the rumour about Westcountry not going to be rebranded. Not sure how much I believe that as it doesn't make sense to me to just rename Central. I think people get confused with the quasi-Carlton logos being introduced in 1998 on Central but not on Westcountry. I think this is because they were actually made back in 1996 along with the Carlton ones and I think Carlton hadn't yet aquired Westcountry when they commissioned the new look. But if Carlton and Central had a different design on that board, then it might point to your theory.
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A former member
It was around the same day 25 November 1996 , when the new Carlton idents appeared that Calrton acquired Westcountry. Whole reason for the sale was during the Summer Westcountry prepared to float the company on the stock market, with the front runners being HTV, as there had the playout operations.
JO
Jonny
Perhaps a case of Central being seen as the prize asset of the two - hugely profitable, serving a large region with a production powerhouse that Carlton was desperate to call its own?
NW
nwtv2003
Jonny posted:
Perhaps a case of Central being seen as the prize asset of the two - hugely profitable, serving a large region with a production powerhouse that Carlton was desperate to call its own?


Indeed, and that phase in the mid 1990s when anything that was made by Central was known as Carlton UK Productions first, even got on the endcap to the final series of Bullseye IIRC. Carlton UK had gone by the 1996 rebrand, but Lenton Lane studios were known as Carlton Studios from there in until its closure.
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A former member
Even during 1998, 1999 and 2000, there was disagreement between Carlton and Granada about scheduling. I think there was some sort power struggle, ( of course!) and each were trying to get control.
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A former member
BBC1 NI Final Idents Compilation - 2006:


Still to be found:

UKTV from around 2000-03

Scottish:
* Scotland Today titles 1989
* Start up with the rotating ident.
* Three old men 2000 ident 30 secs version STV or GTV
* Scotland tonight Promo for its creation will also appear soon.

Grampain:
North tonight 1980, 1983, 1986, 1989. and 2006 Mini revamp in Janaury
* more Grampain TV promos

Yorkshire: * Clips from Jan - August 1991 any of its pres

Disney Channel: introductions to the music interludes: 1995 - 96

S4C
S4C Spray Can ident
S4C Shower ident
S4C Pencil (Fire Version) ident
S4C Egg-cup ident

BBC2 NI - Ulster Fry Ident
BBC2 NI - Snap Fish Ident
BBC2 idents Shakespeare and Berlin Wall?
BBC2 'X-Files Night' ident from 12th November 2000 Third version

Of course Ch4 christmas

UKTV G2: Idents in 2004-2007 (Based on 2003-2004 UKG2 ident)
UKTV Drama : Idents in 2004-2007 (Glass of D)

ADVERT:
* VIC: Of course you can Malcolm
* Bank of Scotland Adverts from 1999 - 2008 including BOS Howard versions.


IS there any missing archive you can think off? just post away Wink
Last edited by A former member on 28 June 2013 10:22am - 3 times in total
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A former member
jonO posted:

The unused ITV hearts off the old Continuity Booth website. I'm not talking about the well-known ones that you get on youtube but ones that looked like prototype versions of the ones finally used. They were a much darker purple and had pretty sinister music to them, plus all the station logos were yellow only, no full colour ones. I'm surprised these never resurfaced like the other ones.

These sound interesting... Anyone?


Are these the ones you're after? I'm pretty sure I got them from the Continuity Booth site:

http://youtu.be/gVp5vUKz_SM
http://youtu.be/A2jyLoX9k2o
http://youtu.be/1JjlRXwtc5Y
http://youtu.be/K39tHLZOGdM
http://youtu.be/OdMxvT0RQC4
http://youtu.be/NlJsPRBnvfI


Whats the deal with these ones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMOaTVZHuaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shCT0NK77ZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4MF-KejFZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZilFZBeo0

did there ditch those ones and try again with the 1998 version?
WP
WillPS
I dread to think how much must have been spent on those idents with such a mediocre end result.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Mr Kite posted:
The thing is, I could've swore I saw a Westcountry one, complete with a white 'W' in the blue square where the company logo is for most of the other companies. Did anyone ever have a good look at this, maybe in person? As the network centre represented all the ITV companies, they all must've been there but I'm curious about what the plaque showed for, say, Grampian, and if I saw the Westcountry one as I imagined.

You didn't imagine it, I know the board you mean which appeared on the news stories, and there was definitely a hearts-style logo on that board for Westcountry, but not one for Central or Carlton London.


I saw the board close up and it wasn't a hearts-style logo. It was the W in a blue box above the word Westcountry, which was the 'printable' version of their original identity.
JO
Jonny
BBC2 NI's 2007 idents send off would be a nice find (I remember they signed off with the lovely 40 years ident, not sure if they had a montage as well?)
JO
jonO
Jonny posted:
BBC2 NI's 2007 idents send off would be a nice find (I remember they signed off with the lovely 40 years ident, not sure if they had a montage as well?)


Perhaps the best montage of the night according to the original rebrand thread http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/bbc-two-new-idents-sunday-21305/page-69, and I still think so.

The video comes from Asa's capture in the same thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj87iVKkOzI
JO
Jonny
jonO posted:
Perhaps the best montage of the night according to the original rebrand thread http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/bbc-two-new-idents-sunday-21305/page-69, and I still think so.

The video comes from Asa's capture in the same thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj87iVKkOzI

Excellent, thanks very much for that! Best example of this sort of thing in general, I'd say.

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