DV
Wasn't 170 the start of the Oracle magazine for each region prior to the 200's opening up?
BL
I'd be interested. Always looked way too clean to me to be on tape, and like I said I saw a generator producing it at IBC.
Was told at the time that it was TVS who had the first computer generated ident rather than Channel 4. Of course the elements of the TVS one were obviously combined in some sort of DVE but I suppose it's a valid claim?
Yes, TVS came on air 10 months before C4, so fair enough (Though what about TSW's ?)
TVS inherited the original Southern Marconi presentation control room facilities so a bit limited in what could be done, I think it was around 86/87 that they built new control rooms where telecine used to be - separate control rooms for the two regions, computed assisted and a bit more 'whizz bangy' I suspect.
Yes, and with a watered down version of C4's CATS automation system ?
Ah, I thought the one you saw at IBC was the one with the blue background - my mistake. Will try and find out more over the holidays if I remember. The less said about TSW's ident the better I think!
I think TVS used a Drake system, but again I'm not sure, I can find out.
Suspect that was playing in off a cart or ACR of some sort. May be able to find out later.
I'd be interested. Always looked way too clean to me to be on tape, and like I said I saw a generator producing it at IBC.
Was told at the time that it was TVS who had the first computer generated ident rather than Channel 4. Of course the elements of the TVS one were obviously combined in some sort of DVE but I suppose it's a valid claim?
Yes, TVS came on air 10 months before C4, so fair enough (Though what about TSW's ?)
TVS inherited the original Southern Marconi presentation control room facilities so a bit limited in what could be done, I think it was around 86/87 that they built new control rooms where telecine used to be - separate control rooms for the two regions, computed assisted and a bit more 'whizz bangy' I suspect.
Yes, and with a watered down version of C4's CATS automation system ?
Ah, I thought the one you saw at IBC was the one with the blue background - my mistake. Will try and find out more over the holidays if I remember. The less said about TSW's ident the better I think!
I think TVS used a Drake system, but again I'm not sure, I can find out.
:-(
A former member
That ident is 100% correct!
Many thanks. The clip is certainly genuine, the Oracle 170 caption may have been a grave error ?!
I can find a sort of reference that Oracle was still using 199 in 1983, and that clip is from Aug 84
http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/gallery/ceefax/evening/19831003/index.shtml
From 'Teletext Archive' - 22/Nov/1983 Granada region - Oracle subtitles on 170
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/195.html
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/170.html
MA
Many thanks. The clip is certainly genuine, the Oracle 170 caption may have been a grave error ?!
I can find a sort of reference that Oracle was still using 199 in 1983, and that clip is from Aug 84
http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/gallery/ceefax/evening/19831003/index.shtml
From 'Teletext Archive' - 22/Nov/1983 Granada region - Oracle subtitles on 170
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/195.html
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/170.html
Well look at that. So Oracle aligned themselves with Ceefax and used P170, before the change to P888.
As a Christmas bonus question, what did Oracle on C4 use 82-85 ? I think subtitles on 4 were still
(then) under Oracle's responsibility, and no 4-Tel, so presumably they were not P470 or 499 etc ?
That ident is 100% correct!
Many thanks. The clip is certainly genuine, the Oracle 170 caption may have been a grave error ?!
I can find a sort of reference that Oracle was still using 199 in 1983, and that clip is from Aug 84
http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/gallery/ceefax/evening/19831003/index.shtml
From 'Teletext Archive' - 22/Nov/1983 Granada region - Oracle subtitles on 170
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/195.html
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/gra-19831122/170.html
Well look at that. So Oracle aligned themselves with Ceefax and used P170, before the change to P888.
As a Christmas bonus question, what did Oracle on C4 use 82-85 ? I think subtitles on 4 were still
(then) under Oracle's responsibility, and no 4-Tel, so presumably they were not P470 or 499 etc ?
IS
There's your 'missing archive' right there. What a great resource: http://archive.teletextart.co.uk
MA
Wow ! That's my Christmas sorted
I randomly clicked on this little personal gem that I recall from 1982
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/bestof/ch4.png
There's your 'missing archive' right there. What a great resource: http://archive.teletextart.co.uk
Wow ! That's my Christmas sorted
I randomly clicked on this little personal gem that I recall from 1982
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/bestof/ch4.png
TT
ttt
There's your 'missing archive' right there. What a great resource: http://archive.teletextart.co.uk
Well that's disappointing. We don't get to see the cockup on the 1990s regional Tyne Tees service where they misspelled the station name (Tyne Tess) on the header page for three months before I eventually broke down and told them about it.
TE
Well that's disappointing. We don't get to see the cockup on the 1990s regional Tyne Tees service where they misspelled the station name (Tyne Tess) on the header page for three months before I eventually broke down and told them about it.
I've still got a lot of tapes from the mid 90s to work through the Tyne Tees ancillary services on for my site, so I might still run into it yet.
Although admittedly there are normally a lot of character errors on the recovered text anyway so it's hard to know what is a genuine typo!
I do seem to recall Tyne Tess kicking around during the post Channel 3 North East era text, although I imagine that was all hastily re-edited about as quickly as the ident package so not entirely surprising.
tesandco
Founding member
There's your 'missing archive' right there. What a great resource: http://archive.teletextart.co.uk
Well that's disappointing. We don't get to see the cockup on the 1990s regional Tyne Tees service where they misspelled the station name (Tyne Tess) on the header page for three months before I eventually broke down and told them about it.
I've still got a lot of tapes from the mid 90s to work through the Tyne Tees ancillary services on for my site, so I might still run into it yet.
Although admittedly there are normally a lot of character errors on the recovered text anyway so it's hard to know what is a genuine typo!
I do seem to recall Tyne Tess kicking around during the post Channel 3 North East era text, although I imagine that was all hastily re-edited about as quickly as the ident package so not entirely surprising.
:-(
A former member
I've still got a lot of tapes from the mid 90s to work through the Tyne Tees ancillary services on for my site, so I might still run into it yet.
Although admittedly there are normally a lot of character errors on the recovered text anyway so it's hard to know what is a genuine typo!
I do seem to recall Tyne Tess kicking around during the post Channel 3 North East era text, although I imagine that was all hastily re-edited about as quickly as the ident package so not entirely surprising.
I hope you keep a close eye out for clocks, slides and nightshift
HA
To start off the missing archive, two clips are found:
Playhouse Disney Art Play with Sara-Louise Harper from 2002:
and
Carlton Daytime ident from 1997 - Starting at 5:18:
Granada:
Granada pres from in 1989.
Granada Christmas presentation from 1997
Yorkshire:
Slides and presentation from Autumn 1992
Clock from Summer 1992.
Carlton:
Vortex and Flashlight idents from 1994 (Pictures of them are still on the TV Room and prior to its closure and not on video around.
People idents from 1993 are all missing ie Bells ringers from Chelmsford, Gemini Twirlers from Dagenham, Elizabeth II, Maria Louisa and Solariss, Hammersmith Biker, Medical Team at Hammersmith Hospital, etc. Also others from the old TV-ARK Carlton ident 1993 site.
Emmerdale ident
Home and Away ident
Corrie ident
Carlton Country ident
Peak practice ident
Videotech ident
Word game ident
Custard Pie ident
Clowning ident
Generic (with the yellow logo) ident
Snowshaker ident
Pudding ident
Snowman ident
Tree ident
Reindeer ident
Snow ident
Christmas lights ident
Locations ident (The one with Tooting and Ware)
Broadcasting A Breakdown ident (3 and a half Minute version)
Morning ident
Black and White Searchlight ident
The magician", "Kung fu" , Body builders etc ident
Central:
Central ident via a Bill-broad.
Rainbow Confetti ident.
ITO ident from 1997.
Clips from 1990 TO Autumn 1991.
Small number of Central idents from 98-99 set are not around.
Central news west 1993: Green - blue look just like the 1991 ie different colours
TT:
Backwards ident from 1989
Presentation from 1992, 1993 and 1994 are all missing.
Sky:
Sky One Blockbusters Promo (2000)
Sky Digital/Sky+ Demonstration from 2003 and 2006 and Sky+ Demonstration from 2002 in full
Sky One 2002 Orange idents (Space invaders, Flame touch and Road Scene No1)
Sky One 2004 Idents and presentation
BBC 2
Halloween Night idents - ( stills are around for No1 and No2)
Edinburgh Nights ident
Gay ident from late 1990s
Pop Art ident
Remembrandt ident
BBC 2W idents (Christmas 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008) are all missing as well as the Heroes ident with the box logo on)
Unknown sting (as seen on sub-TV) like that one
http://www.sub-tv.co.uk/pics/bbc2/2_2.jpg
BBC Two NI Logo ident with BBC Four Logo on the center (2005) (No video at the moment, the Stills are on The TV Room website, prior to its closure)
Winter Olympics 2014 using 2000 Christmas presentation
Loudspeaker sting (the one with the 2 on the right instead of the left)
T falls into the sea bed with menu overlaid and opening a sardine to show the T sting (early 90's)
BBC Choice
Trumpet ident (1998)
Hearts Idents (2000)
BBC One:
Destroying Grey Abbey (Balloon era) ident
Living:
Next Sting from 1993.
Break bumpers from 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Promos from 1993, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Idents from May 2000 with the asterisk next to the word Living like this one:
http://www.tvarchive.org.uk/TVA/TVA%20Digital/images/dsat/history/112.jpg
S4C can be viewed here, but I have no idea what is actually missing.. http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post885946#post-885946
ADVERTS
* VIC: Of course you can Malcolm
* Bank of Scotland Adverts from 1999 - 2008 including BOS Howard versions.
* Sky+ (Odd Couples) Adverts: Kelly Brook and Bruce Forsyth
* Sky Digital promo. Big red.
RTE in video
Christmas 90s presentation and idents
TV3 in video
Nearly everything
Playhouse Disney in video
Monty Mole (The one with streamers all over him and the other when he is looking at something with a magnifying glass)
Paws
Art Play
Circle Time
Dave and Alex (The one where they are decorating a blue cake)
PJ's Bedtime and Storytime with PJ Mole
Nickelodeon In video
See pg 10
The Big Nick Pick promos (2004)
CBeebies:
Teletubbies link with Sid and Sue where Sue scares Sid with a sparkly spider (2002)
Ben playing a piggy game with The Cbeebies Baby, Evangeline (2015)
Milkshake:
Hannah Williams sings Incy Wincy Spider clip (2006)
Naomi Wilkinson sings Incy Wincy Spider on the Beach clip (Summer 2006)
Channel 5:
Kate McIntyre (The Core) ident (1999)
Milkshake (Lucy Alexander) ident (1999)
RAD ident (1999)
Leslie Grantham (Sitting alone on the sofa without any friends) ident (2000)
Unscheduled news report still ident (2002)
Blue ident (silent) (2002)
Scottish:
Christmas 1989 ident (stills and videos are not around on TV-live)
Meridian:
Unseen ident featured on Meridian News (no video around, stills are on TV-live)
Playhouse Disney Art Play with Sara-Louise Harper from 2002:
and
Carlton Daytime ident from 1997 - Starting at 5:18:
Granada:
Granada pres from in 1989.
Granada Christmas presentation from 1997
Yorkshire:
Slides and presentation from Autumn 1992
Clock from Summer 1992.
Carlton:
Vortex and Flashlight idents from 1994 (Pictures of them are still on the TV Room and prior to its closure and not on video around.
People idents from 1993 are all missing ie Bells ringers from Chelmsford, Gemini Twirlers from Dagenham, Elizabeth II, Maria Louisa and Solariss, Hammersmith Biker, Medical Team at Hammersmith Hospital, etc. Also others from the old TV-ARK Carlton ident 1993 site.
Emmerdale ident
Home and Away ident
Corrie ident
Carlton Country ident
Peak practice ident
Videotech ident
Word game ident
Custard Pie ident
Clowning ident
Generic (with the yellow logo) ident
Snowshaker ident
Pudding ident
Snowman ident
Tree ident
Reindeer ident
Snow ident
Christmas lights ident
Locations ident (The one with Tooting and Ware)
Broadcasting A Breakdown ident (3 and a half Minute version)
Morning ident
Black and White Searchlight ident
The magician", "Kung fu" , Body builders etc ident
Central:
Central ident via a Bill-broad.
Rainbow Confetti ident.
ITO ident from 1997.
Clips from 1990 TO Autumn 1991.
Small number of Central idents from 98-99 set are not around.
Central news west 1993: Green - blue look just like the 1991 ie different colours
TT:
Backwards ident from 1989
Presentation from 1992, 1993 and 1994 are all missing.
Sky:
Sky One Blockbusters Promo (2000)
Sky Digital/Sky+ Demonstration from 2003 and 2006 and Sky+ Demonstration from 2002 in full
Sky One 2002 Orange idents (Space invaders, Flame touch and Road Scene No1)
Sky One 2004 Idents and presentation
BBC 2
Halloween Night idents - ( stills are around for No1 and No2)
Edinburgh Nights ident
Gay ident from late 1990s
Pop Art ident
Remembrandt ident
BBC 2W idents (Christmas 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008) are all missing as well as the Heroes ident with the box logo on)
Unknown sting (as seen on sub-TV) like that one
http://www.sub-tv.co.uk/pics/bbc2/2_2.jpg
BBC Two NI Logo ident with BBC Four Logo on the center (2005) (No video at the moment, the Stills are on The TV Room website, prior to its closure)
Winter Olympics 2014 using 2000 Christmas presentation
Loudspeaker sting (the one with the 2 on the right instead of the left)
T falls into the sea bed with menu overlaid and opening a sardine to show the T sting (early 90's)
BBC Choice
Trumpet ident (1998)
Hearts Idents (2000)
BBC One:
Destroying Grey Abbey (Balloon era) ident
Living:
Next Sting from 1993.
Break bumpers from 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Promos from 1993, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Idents from May 2000 with the asterisk next to the word Living like this one:
http://www.tvarchive.org.uk/TVA/TVA%20Digital/images/dsat/history/112.jpg
S4C can be viewed here, but I have no idea what is actually missing.. http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post885946#post-885946
ADVERTS
* VIC: Of course you can Malcolm
* Bank of Scotland Adverts from 1999 - 2008 including BOS Howard versions.
* Sky+ (Odd Couples) Adverts: Kelly Brook and Bruce Forsyth
* Sky Digital promo. Big red.
RTE in video
Christmas 90s presentation and idents
TV3 in video
Nearly everything
Playhouse Disney in video
Monty Mole (The one with streamers all over him and the other when he is looking at something with a magnifying glass)
Paws
Art Play
Circle Time
Dave and Alex (The one where they are decorating a blue cake)
PJ's Bedtime and Storytime with PJ Mole
Nickelodeon In video
See pg 10
The Big Nick Pick promos (2004)
CBeebies:
Teletubbies link with Sid and Sue where Sue scares Sid with a sparkly spider (2002)
Ben playing a piggy game with The Cbeebies Baby, Evangeline (2015)
Milkshake:
Hannah Williams sings Incy Wincy Spider clip (2006)
Naomi Wilkinson sings Incy Wincy Spider on the Beach clip (Summer 2006)
Channel 5:
Kate McIntyre (The Core) ident (1999)
Milkshake (Lucy Alexander) ident (1999)
RAD ident (1999)
Leslie Grantham (Sitting alone on the sofa without any friends) ident (2000)
Unscheduled news report still ident (2002)
Blue ident (silent) (2002)
Scottish:
Christmas 1989 ident (stills and videos are not around on TV-live)
Meridian:
Unseen ident featured on Meridian News (no video around, stills are on TV-live)
Last edited by HAR10110289 on 24 December 2016 12:11am
:-(
A former member
Above list is still badly formatted and confusing:
* BBC Choice heart ident is on TV ark: http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/bbc/bbcchoice/1998.html AND HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoNaL9iuMNU&ab_channel=TheTVMuseum OR are you not making it very clear to people?: and mean these one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGwZdXD4YrE
* Sky One 2004 Idents and presentation is on the production companies website.
* Meridian: Unseen ident featured on Meridian News (no video around, stills are on TV-live) have you looked here: http://www.dailymotion.com/southinview
It should:
Granada:
Granada pres from in Spring 1990 and Fun ident form 96-99 ( there a few missing:
Granada Christmas presentation from 1997
Scottish
* 2009 South Park Ident
* 2013 Broadchurch Ident
* Scotland Today titles 1985-86(pink) and 1989
* Three old men 2000 ident 30 secs version STV or GTV The other have turned up on Viemo.
* Scotland tonight Promo for its creation will also appear soon. up ident.
Grampian
* North tonight 1980, 1983, 1986 and 1989.
* Celebrity love Island 2002
UK Ginger (UK Gold)
Stills are on TV-Live, not videos of them around
Lets hope get back on track
* BBC Choice heart ident is on TV ark: http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/bbc/bbcchoice/1998.html AND HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoNaL9iuMNU&ab_channel=TheTVMuseum OR are you not making it very clear to people?: and mean these one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGwZdXD4YrE
* Sky One 2004 Idents and presentation is on the production companies website.
* Meridian: Unseen ident featured on Meridian News (no video around, stills are on TV-live) have you looked here: http://www.dailymotion.com/southinview
It should:
Granada:
Granada pres from in Spring 1990 and Fun ident form 96-99 ( there a few missing:
Granada Christmas presentation from 1997
Scottish
* 2009 South Park Ident
* 2013 Broadchurch Ident
* Scotland Today titles 1985-86(pink) and 1989
* Three old men 2000 ident 30 secs version STV or GTV The other have turned up on Viemo.
* Scotland tonight Promo for its creation will also appear soon. up ident.
Grampian
* North tonight 1980, 1983, 1986 and 1989.
* Celebrity love Island 2002
UK Ginger (UK Gold)
Stills are on TV-Live, not videos of them around
Lets hope get back on track
IS
Wow ! That's my Christmas sorted
Interesting to see some of the odd stuff that early Ceefax had, especially in the miscellany sections on 190/290. I can't find any examples but occasionally there would be a page there that was just a logo of a game show, used when the game show such as Bob's Full House gave away a telly and they'd put that page on it.
Anyone know what 'Orbit' was?
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/bbc2-19800708/200.html
There's your 'missing archive' right there. What a great resource: http://archive.teletextart.co.uk
Wow ! That's my Christmas sorted
Interesting to see some of the odd stuff that early Ceefax had, especially in the miscellany sections on 190/290. I can't find any examples but occasionally there would be a page there that was just a logo of a game show, used when the game show such as Bob's Full House gave away a telly and they'd put that page on it.
Anyone know what 'Orbit' was?
http://archive.teletextart.co.uk/bbc2-19800708/200.html
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 23 December 2016 10:02pm