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Michael Green forced to resign from ITV

(October 2003)

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A former member
I don't think Carlton ever 'made' anything ! They arrived as a 'publisher contractor' - commissioned some utter crap in their early days and then had to buy Central to gain any production respectability . The fact that they crow about Morse is laughable - Morse was being made way before Carlton came along and they just took the kudos once they bought the company.
Michael Green goes away with 20 odd million - poor dear ...my heart bleeds
If you wanna know who wrecked ITV - look to Mrs Thatcher - she paved the way ...and its been down hill ever since ...one good reason to never vote tory!
LU
Luke
catlitter posted:
I don't think Carlton ever 'made' anything ! They arrived as a 'publisher contractor' - commissioned some utter crap in their early days and then had to buy Central to gain any production respectability . The fact that they crow about Morse is laughable - Morse was being made way before Carlton came along and they just took the kudos once they bought the company.
Michael Green goes away with 20 odd million - poor dear ...my heart bleeds
If you wanna know who wrecked ITV - look to Mrs Thatcher - she paved the way ...and its been down hill ever since ...one good reason to never vote tory!


Hey! Don't forget London Bridge!? Eh...er,OK.
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A former member
er.....quite!
another crap commission!
Wink
BE
Ben Founding member
catlitter posted:
The fact that they crow about Morse is laughable - Morse was being made way before Carlton came along and they just took the kudos once they bought the company.
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No actually I believe Carlton were responsible for Morse, through a production subsidery, before they gained the licence. It was produced for Central.
LU
Luke
Ben posted:
catlitter posted:
The fact that they crow about Morse is laughable - Morse was being made way before Carlton came along and they just took the kudos once they bought the company.
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No actually I believe Carlton were responsible for Morse, through a production subsidery, before they gained the licence. It was produced for Central.


Wow, watch out Ben, I can see this becoming a hot point for arguments and debate! ( I'm not being sarcastic by the way)
CO
Corin
Rugby Wax posted:
Perhaps the greatest error by the Authorities was to allow Carlton to take the franchise from Thames TV.

The Authorities did not allow Carlton to take the franchise : the Authorities actively awarded the franchise to Carlton.

Rugby Wax posted:
we have seen countless skilled and dedicated staff being made redundant by his company.

But in the fully competitive free market approach to commercial tv, this is seen as being an extremely good thing, because it means bigger profits and bigger dividend cheques to the stockholders. Do not forget that the whole idea of bidding for the TV franchises came as an idea to Madam T as a method to break up the "overstaffed closed shop" production methods of the commercial tv companies.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Ben posted:
No actually I believe Carlton were responsible for Morse, through a production subsidery, before they gained the licence. It was produced for Central.



It's true. In fact, when Carlton won the franchise, they were referred to on the news as "the producers of Inspector Morse".
CW
cwathen Founding member
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It's true. In fact, when Carlton won the franchise, they were referred to on the news as "the producers of Inspector Morse".

I loved the news report that followed just as the franchise changes were announced, and Carlton was mentioned in such a 'new upstart which no-one has ever heard of' way.
MB
Mark Boulton
Well, Carlton WERE indeed a shareholder in Zenith Productions, who made Inspector Morse for Central.

HOWEVER - and this is a big however - Central could just have easily commissioned somebody else or made it in house, and of course it was their decision to commission such a show, schedule it, procure its production, etc. - a big risk, back in the days when its popularity (or lack of) was yet to be proven and had to be assumed. The difference with Carlton as a "broadcaster" is that they would not have taken such a risk, because they're only interested in ordering production people about to bring in "content" that they can flog, whereas back in the days of Central it was a case of the people working for them wanting to produce quality shows, either in-house or as co-productions with independents, and gain profitability that way - i.e. as a natural reward for delivering a quality and diverse range of shows.

I have this argument almost once or twice a week with somebody at work - to try and get it into their heads that fudging books to simply make a company appear profitable is no good, and fostering a lethargic "we just turn up for our salary and go home" culture is no good, and once-in-a-while marketing blitzes that paper over the cracks are no good, that all you really need is to drive everybody to take a pride in what they do, and get them to get the company doing what they do, well. From this, reputation and financial success follow. It really doesn't matter if you cut unit costs on running a skeleton staff with minimal facilities either. A fully-staffed company with facilities which could be argued are slightly more than they need, will foster the incentive, inventiveness and pride in the workforce that lead to the most important thing - results. Corner cutting which reduces costs but also reduces tangible results or the number of times your client feels you've delivered a quality result damages the company's reputation and, ultimately, share value, over a long period of time. A child of 12 can see this. It's strange how so many mid-30- and 40-somethings at the moment somehow can't.
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A former member
At least Green had some flair. Allen's a bean-counter. I blame Granada more than Carlton for the state of ITV today.
LU
Luke
HTV Best posted:
At least Green had some flair. Allen's a bean-counter. I blame Granada more than Carlton for the state of ITV today.


Yeah, but the fact is, Granada made (and still do) make some of ITV's best and highest rated programmes , ie. Coronation Street. For that reason, Allen's position is safer, especially since GMG took over LWT and accepted the credit for their programmes (e.g. Pop Idol, Blind Date).
WH
Whataday Founding member
CPFC posted:
Yeah, but the fact is, Granada made (and still do) make some of ITV's best and highest rated programmes , ie. Coronation Street. For that reason, Allen's position is safer, especially since GMG took over LWT and accepted the credit for their programmes (e.g. Pop Idol, Blind Date).



I somehow don't think that's the reason! It's more to do with the fact that Granada is the bigger company.

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