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IS
Inspector Sands
This thread bring backs memories of seeing lots of the mentioned titles in the 'regional variations' section of the newspaper TV listings and having no idea what programmes like The Ferret or Puffin's Pla(i)ce might be like.

The one that I remember watching was LWT's listings guide Wake Up London with the Vicious Boys, a comedy double-act who also appeared on one of the Saturday morning shows, either Get Fresh or Ghost Train, can't remember which.

One of them, Angelo Abela, presented Ghost Train, he's now a Director in the US it seems. Later series were presented by a double act called Rabbitt and Doon, the latter being Doon Mackichan. It was 5 minutes just after TVam on Sundays, I remember seeing other regions listings and not understanding how it was that we had a programme on then whereas no one else did and whether they got the next programme earlier
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
‘Two I remember from London were the quiz show King of the Castle, with Alistair Stewart doing his best Anne Robinson impression, and the documentary The Tube which was one of the last times I saw the Carlton endcap before the merge. There was also a vaguely London Underground-based quiz show in the late 90s.


King of the Castle was shown on Carlton Central as well. Not entirely sure what it wanted to be, though it looked like Weakest Link with a triangle, only without any of the appeal of Weakest Link.
JA
james-2001
Wasn't Our House a Carlton London show that just happened to spread its way across the rest of the Carlton stations?

Reminds me of their version of Just a Minute which started off as a regional London programme and then for the second series turned into an odd London versus the Midlands team format.


Growing up in London the regional programme I remember most fondly is The 6 O Clock Show. There's a whole episode from series 1 online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjc-an0jTY8


Look at the quality of that, must be the archive copy. Interesting that it includes the end of the ITN bulletin, and the Thames Weekend News bulletin. Doesn't look like it has the adverts though going by the long holds on the break captions, so can't have been recorded from an as-broadcast feed, so presumably the news bulletins must have been routed through the studio. I can understand why the Thames Weekend News would have come through the studio with it effectively integrated into the programme, but I wonder why the ITN bulletin was.

That channel has what looks like a broadcast quality copy (despite the head switching noise at the bottom of the screen) of a BSB programme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFqIXIziGpo

Interesting considering how much of BSB's archive supposedly got wiped... though I think it was mostly John Gau and Noel Gay productions which went missing (though those two made up the bulk of BSB's output, I think), and that's a Chrysalis production (who I think later on got absorbed into North One- who made ITV and C4's Formula 1 coverage), so I imagine archives of other companies' BSB productions may be more intact.
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BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
Look at the quality of that, must be the archive copy. Interesting that it includes the end of the ITN bulletin, and the Thames Weekend News bulletin. Doesn't look like it has the adverts though going by the long holds on the break captions, so can't have been recorded from an as-broadcast feed, so presumably the news bulletins must have been routed through the studio. I can understand why the Thames Weekend News would have come through the studio with it effectively integrated into the programme, but I wonder why the ITN bulletin was.


From the uploader, somewhere in the comments:
Quote:
The reason there's no LWT ident before the 6'O Clock Show is that the VT operator was recording the wrong thing - he had the ITN line selected, not the 6OCS studio. He realised, and switched the input source, just after the LWT ident.

Viewers at home would have seen the junction happen as normal.

On the plus side, that is guaranteed to be the only recording in the world of Leonard's few seconds of paper-shuffling. ITN never recorded and kept the studio sequences from its bulletins at that time, it only kept the individual reports (which had obvious re-use value).
Markymark, Night Thoughts and Inspector Sands gave kudos
GO
gottago
I remember Granada's last few years of obligated regional shows were deathly dull, seriously phoned in programmes. One I distinctly remember was The Real Coronation Street about the residents of some Greater Manchester street with the same name. One of the key storylines of the episode I watched was about how a mother and her daughter would do the weekly shop, bring it back to the house in the trolley and then the daughter would take the trolley back to the supermarket.

And then their Thursday 7:30 regional slot was often filled with loads and loads of archive shows about old regional series and quirky news reports. I think there were so many series of them that they were really scraping the barrel for clips by the end but it must have been by far the cheapest way to fill that quota.
JK
JKDerry
With regards to The Kelly Show, there use to be a YouTube channel who had a lot of archive Kelly Shows uploaded, and now in 2021 I can not find the channel, so I guess they got copy right struck, which is pathetic, since the Kelly Show ended in 2005.

The opening music to accompany the titles was the Light Cavalry Overture by Franz von Suppe, and was reworked over the years.

Here is one of a few editions still remaining on YouTube, from September 22nd 2000, which started their 2000-2001 series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHePnXxIhnY&t=1751s
UL
ulsterman92
With regards to The Kelly Show, there use to be a YouTube channel who had a lot of archive Kelly Shows uploaded, and now in 2021 I can not find the channel, so I guess they got copy right struck, which is pathetic, since the Kelly Show ended in 2005.

The opening music to accompany the titles was the Light Cavalry Overture by Franz von Suppe, and was reworked over the years.

Here is one of a few editions still remaining on YouTube, from September 22nd 2000, which started their 2000-2001 series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHePnXxIhnY&t=1751s


Poor Gerry Kelly didn't want to give up the show in 2005, he did get the 30 mins Gerry Meets with Gerry and one other guest which ran from 2006-2009 when Gerry moved to BBC Radio Ulster to host a Friday-Saturday show. I remember in 2005 he was a guest on the RTE2 show 'The Panel' and said it was his decision and 30 minutes was better for him in primetime etc but once he left UTV he did say it was ITV putting UTV under pressure and the show was a great success. Shame we will probably never see a show like this again in Northern Ireland as UTV will never do anything like that now and BBC NI did try with John Daly & Gerry Anderson but always bombed against UTV.
NT
Night Thoughts


They also did a few weekends where the two regions would join together for a live event, there was one called Holidaywatch Live, with Tony Wilson in Blackpool and Jono Coleman in Southend meeting holidaymakers in various programmes over the weekend. One thing I remember
about that is that Garry Bushell then parodied it on his awful Bushell on the Box series, even though nobody outside London and the North West would have ever seen it.



This reminds me of the assumption that many documentary makers have about the Sex Pistols incident on the Today programme on Thames - it's assumed it was on a national chat show rather than a London-only magazine. Shame that very little of Today seems to have survived, I'm fascinated by what guff they'd fill half an hour with in the days before London got proper regional news.

Pretty sure Richard Littlejohn's TV debut was on a London-only chat show on LWT (he had been a regular guest on LBC before that). Think one of Ian Wright's late-90s chat show outings may also have been LWT-only too.

The only other things I can really remember that haven't been mentioned already were listings/what's on-type shows - 01 for London from Thames and South of Watford from LWT.
MA
Markymark
A few random things from my head

TSW had a local talent show, Sunday afternoons in 83/84 ish. It made the tabloids one week becuse allegedly one of the contestants ended up in <cough> a liaison after the show with Nina Myscow who was one of the judges.

TSW also had their own local Saturday morning kids show for a while, hosted by Plymouth Sound DJ Ian Calvert

TVS's No73 started off as a local show I think.

LWT had 'Our Show' in the 70s, that after a while Southern (and possibly Anglia?) showed.

TVS had a 'teen' drama called 'Radio' (?) set in a Brighton ILR station
IS
Inspector Sands

Pretty sure Richard Littlejohn's TV debut was on a London-only chat show on LWT (he had been a regular guest on LBC before that). Think one of Ian Wright's late-90s chat show outings may also have been LWT-only too.

The only other things I can really remember that haven't been mentioned already were listings/what's on-type shows - 01 for London from Thames and South of Watford from LWT.

Bob Mill's comedy series In Bed With Medinner was originally a regional programme late night on LWT. The first series were hour long episodes and had bands in the studio every week. The second series onwards were networked half hours, I'm pretty sure they reused some bits from the first series to make the shorter episodes.
RD
RDJ
A few regional shows did end up being networked across the whole ITV network.

Central’s Pulling Power was networked on ITV in a late night 11pm slot in about 2004-2005. Obviously to try to cash in on the recent rise of the BBC’s Top Gear. It didn’t last very long however and continued on then ITV-owned Men & Motors before finally being killed off for a year or two on ITV4.

Of course the most famous networked regional show was produced by YTV and still continues to this day:
CO
commseng
A fairly well known regional show that ended up being networked one region at a time was ATV's Tiswas.

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