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South Today
Katherine posted:
BluePeter posted:
Really was a good send off programme tonight, and lets hope Midlands Today do a similar programme when they leave Pebble Mill….….

Likewise when Look North Leeds move from Woodhouse Lane to Quarry Hill. Perhaps smaller version for when Look North Hull move from Chapel Street to Queen's Gardens....



Seems as it has been mentioned Katherine, could you please tell me the date when Look North Leeds plan to move. Thanks
NG
noggin Founding member
Larry Scutta posted:
noggin posted:
Yep - though MiniDV and DVCam differ only in the audio recording options available, and the robustness of the recording format (Different tape speed / guard bands). The video recording quality is identical - both use 4:2:0 DV25 codecs in 625 regions. (DVCPro uses 4:1:1 DV25 in 625 and 525 regions) However the quality of the camera bits of the camcorders available for DVCam are MUCH higher than MiniDV domestic stuff...


Surely the diffrence in tape speeds makes a very big diffrence in quality?

You can really tell the diffrence between a mini DV and a DVCam recording, I'm not convinced it's all to do with the camera


No - both MiniDV, DVCam and DVCPro (25) run at 25 Mbs. Even in LP mode MiniDV runs at 25Mbs.

The differences in tape speed used by the Cam and Pro formats are to increase the robustness of recordings, either by increasing the guardbands between tracks to allow insert editing compatibility between VTRs, or to allow more tape area to be used per track to increase the reliability of recording. (10 tracks per frame for 525, 12 for 625 - or is it per field - can't remember)

DVCPro (but not DVCam I think) also has two analogue tracks - one used for Linear time code (independent of any VITC or data TC) and the other used for an analogue audio "cue" track to allow easy audio monitoring in jog and shuttle.

This makes DVCam and DVCPro easier to use as edit sources, and destination formats. MiniDV is not at all reliable to edit to - only from...

In 625-land MiniDV and DVCam are based on 4:2:0 sampling, but DVCPro uses 4:1:1 in both 625 and 525 regions. (MiniDV and DVCam are 4:1:1 in 525 as well I think)

(DVCPro 50 uses 50Mbs and 4:2:2 sampling)

MiniDV uses "unlocked" audio - and I think offers fewer audio tracks at a lower quality. (Only 2 at 48KHz?) In LP mode I think MiniDV only supports 2x32KHz audio.

If you record the same SDI sourced material on MiniDV and DVCam kit you shouldn't see any major differences in visual quality - unless the mathematic algorithms used in the MiniDV kit codecs are less good, and any pre-processing not as good. (DV is DCT based, like JPEG, so any HF noise in the source material will reduce compressibility) However if the VTRs are recording a DV stream via Firewire then the two VTR formats should provide identical results (as the DV encoding will be done by whatever is sourcing the Firewire stream)

The major differences between most DVCam and MiniDV camcorders is the quality of the CCDs and the lenses - and these make a huge difference in image quality. Also most MiniDV stuff is operated in Autofocus, AutoIris, AutoWB etc. - which will never produce good quality results. Most DVCam stuff, at least the high end kit, will not even have autofocus!

If you take the PAL composite output from a MiniDV camcorder - with no DV encoding, and the PAL output of a decent DVCam (like a DSR500) again with no DV encoding, you will see acres of difference... The camera bits really are the limiting factors.

(At the low-end of the Sony DVCam range there are variants of Sony domest ic high-end MiniDV kit. The only differences are normally connectivity, audio recording formats, and tape speed... )

*** EDIT ****
A US DV webpage

Larry - the american page above, quite a long way down, has a section detailing the differences between MiniDV,DVCam and DVCPro tape formats. It doesn't go into 4:2:0 and 4:1:1 I don't think - as all formats are 4:1:1 in the 525 US region.
NS
NickyS Founding member
Katherine posted:
AIUI this studio was housed within the Norwich building, and not in Cambridge at all? Someone care to fill in the gaps in my understanding?

!!

I think you're confusing BBC East with Anglia. Look East's West opt has always been in Cambridge. It's Anglia that produces its East and West editions both from Norwich.
RA
Rangdo
Quote:


Obviously Anglia’s new look came about as a direct result of Look East moving to the Forum….


Actually you couldn't be more wrong. That's total assumption on your part!
NG
noggin Founding member
Rangdo posted:
Quote:


Obviously Anglia’s new look came about as a direct result of Look East moving to the Forum….


Actually you couldn't be more wrong. That's total assumption on your part!


Yep - I guess it would have been difficult to plan Anglia's change given that the move to the Forum has slipped from earlier this year to Monday!
NG
noggin Founding member
Just a thought... Do we think the Politics Show on Sunday morning will be from The Forum? Or will it be a location recording played out from Cambridge? I don't think they could do a live studio interview show from Cambridge - the studio is OK for news, but a bit too small for a "disco".

If the show is 16:9 then it must be coming via the Forum. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
MA
mark Founding member
I was very impressed with Friday's special Look East - they certainly couldn't have given the building a better send-off! The Forum looks fantastic, though, and I can't wait to see what the new look programme is like on Monday.
ST
South Today
Did anyone catch the w/e bulletin was it from Cambridge and with whom?
M
M@ Founding member
It was from Cambridge. I initially thought they'd decided to go with London News as we had that for the whole of the titles and the welcome but East opted in late.
NS
NickyS Founding member
M@ posted:
It was from Cambridge. I initially thought they'd decided to go with London News as we had that for the whole of the titles and the welcome but East opted in late.

That must have been on digital only then because I was watching on analogue and it was a perfect opt. It was Amelia Reynolds presenting. Although I think they had simple weather gfx - no map just text but it's so long since I caught a weekend bulletin they may do that normally anyway.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
NickyS posted:
M@ posted:
It was from Cambridge. I initially thought they'd decided to go with London News as we had that for the whole of the titles and the welcome but East opted in late.

That must have been on digital only then because I was watching on analogue and it was a perfect opt. It was Amelia Reynolds presenting. Although I think they had simple weather gfx - no map just text but it's so long since I caught a weekend bulletin they may do that normally anyway.


Im pretty sure the weather is always done like that at weekends.
M
M@ Founding member
Yeah, I was watching via DTT.

I was thinking just now about the Cambridge studio. Perhaps what they'll do is not have a close-up segment of the show for a week or something so that the cambridge studio can be changed.

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