The Longest TV Complaint Thread In The World?

I wonder if this has to be the longest tv related complaints thread ever?
Over at the BBC "Points Of View" Message Board is a thread that started in May 2005 and is still on their front page today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951574?thread=643514&skip=0&show=20
The worrying thing is that little has changed in over four years!!

the fact it's been on going for FOUR YEARS just proves that the BBC could not give a ############# about the viewer's opinion, they will do what they bloody well like and have a 'who gives a #### what you think' attitude.

I'd like to know what producers think about it as it's their programme's they're spoiling

loud music over dialogue is another ongoing bug bear

I actually prefer to watch a programme on iplayer with the subtitles on so I know what is being said over the stupid music.

(also nice to listen to the closing title music without interruption as well)

they add music it because it adds atmosphere to a scene, does it. It's like at work when a colleague leaves, there's tears, final goodbyes, good luck wishes, etc. It's a very emotional moment for all concerned, but as far as I'm aware there is no invisible music 'adding atmosphere' to the proceedings. yet that scene on TV would be played out to some heart wrenching sad music obliterating all the dialogue

makes no sense

Well by that rationale Steve, why bother with music in anything? Why bother with film music? If it obliterates all the dialogue?

The worst examples of music over dialogue on TV I actually find come from ITV's p*sspoor reality shows. Stuff like Top Gear revolves around background music, and in a lot of cases it's very very boring listening to a bloke talking for half an hour, so music adds variety and - you're right - atmosphere. The example you gave of a colleague is totally different - by that same rationale, do you think we should all act like the tosspots on Eastenders?

If you can't hear dialogue over music then I daresay it's a problem with your hearing rather than the TV companies' production techniques.

I don't think the BBC should always listen to the viewer, because the viewer doesn't always know best. In this case, Steve, you're proving my point.

To be fair, some shows do have the music set a bit too loud and could do with the sound levels being tweaked a tad to make dialogue clearer.

However you then get people who end up in the logofreetv camp and try to obliterate all music from TV which is just silly.

Sometimes it is a bit crazy when a full orchestral piece is played over the top of a scene but the scene would seem very dull and empty without music.

I think background music (when used sparingly) can be effective, as long as it's not obtrusive. If a scene is well written, well acted and atmospherically shot-- then we don't need thumping background music to tell us is dramatic. For instance over on ITV The Bill will reportedly start using background music for its later slot-- is it really necessary?

I feel it's often over-used these days, it just says "over-compensation" to me; just in the same way you get canned laughter, for lame comedy shows.

I didn't say all music is wrong on tv, and some music really does create the atmosphere, Dr Who being a case in point, especially when there is no, or very little dialogue, such as Doomsday music, which did an excellent job of creating the atmosphere of sadness and loss of a friend.

anyway I'm taking this a bit off topic as it was the interruption of end credits we were discussing

I think I may have made a small contribution to that as well, so don't worry

I find the interruption of end credits annoying too, esepecially if you want to find out the name of a minor actor or who produced the show if it wasn't in-house. Beats me why they can't wait a few seconds longer to announce what's next.

it's all down to money these days, when you consider the full corry theme was two minutes four seconds compared to the 18 seconds we have now, you can see where they have shortened credits as well as interrupt them to get as much info in as possible

if you fancy a nostalgia trip click here for the full two minutes and four seconds of corry

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Coronation_Street_-_Full.html

With analogue services turned off, can't they use the same tech that allows the little 'PRESS RED' overlays to come up to tell people what's coming next? If people hate it so much they can just press 'Backup' on their sky remote, or turn it off in the options. Surely then both parties can be happy?

They turned the volume of the headline bed and thunderclaps down on the BBC national news bulletins following complaints, and now you can bearly hear it at all Completely ruins the impact it was supposed to have.

Generally though they could do with using less background music in other programmes.