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LNN move to ITN confirmed.

(October 2003)

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nwtv2003 Granada North West Today
johnofhertford posted:
I thought The London Studios were supposed to be a big earner for Granada? There'd be an outcry if they moved This Morning again -housewives and nightshift workers would march on the capital!


It just went crap anyway when they left Liverpool. I don't think anyone would be that bothered if they moved again, other than people who know alot about TV (ie the people who work in it and many members of the Forum) not many people know where This Morning comes from in London other than somewhere on the Thames, but when they were at Liverpool, everyone knew it was the Albert Dock.

Have you actually seen what has replaced the old This Morning studio at the Albert Dock? It is now a cafe and you seem to forget that This Morning was there at one point. Fred's map is still there but it hasn't been touched for years and there's probably stuff growing on it too.
JO
johnofhertford
nwtv2003 posted:
johnofhertford posted:
I thought The London Studios were supposed to be a big earner for Granada? There'd be an outcry if they moved This Morning again -housewives and nightshift workers would march on the capital!


It just went crap anyway when they left Liverpool. I don't think anyone would be that bothered if they moved again, other than people who know alot about TV (ie the people who work in it and many members of the Forum) not many people know where This Morning comes from in London other than somewhere on the Thames, but when they were at Liverpool, everyone knew it was the Albert Dock.

Have you actually seen what has replaced the old This Morning studio at the Albert Dock? It is now a cafe and you seem to forget that This Morning was there at one point. Fred's map is still there but it hasn't been touched for years and there's probably stuff growing on it too.


Oh dear, <bangs head on table> another one that doesn't recognise sarcasm - are you American? And no, I haven't forgotten that This Morning was at Albert Dock originally - that's why I said "if they move This Morning again". Note the "again".
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
johnofhertford posted:
Oh dear, <bangs head on table> another one that doesn't recognise sarcasm - are you American? And no, I haven't forgotten that This Morning was at Albert Dock originally.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

He mentions at length what the old This Morning studio on Albert Dock has been turned into, so how the hell can you say he didn't understand your original post?

Perhaps it's YOU who ought to be reading previous posts properly, before replying with a complete anagram of carp?
JO
johnofhertford
Go back and read it properly. In his post he asks whether I've forgotten that it used to be made at Albert Dock. Clearly I hadn't forgotten, because if I had then I wouldn't have said "if they moved This Morning again". Note the use of the word "again" meaning I hadn't forgotten they'd moved it once before.
WH
Whataday Founding member Wales Wales Today
mike stand posted:
Very strong word circulating South Bank headquarters of a 'building sell-off' Granada accountants are working on the sums and reckon a central London site is costing 'too much money' Transmission can effectively be done in a much smaller and cheaper location. Technically, not a problem. Nigel Pickard (Head of ITV Programming) is promoting more Indie productions, so why bother with all that studio space?


I know the main objective is for ITV to make as much profit as possible, but surely Britain's largest commercial broadcaster would lose all credibility broadcasting from a small rented office in Milton Keynes?

ITV needs a central base, like BBC TVC, and The London Studios is ideal. OK, scale down the studios elsewhere, but selling TLS would be a huge mistake. And all this "giving more opportunities to indies" isn't a million miles away from what Carlton did in the early days, and that didn't last long because the programmes were crap.

I'm starting to get a feeling that this merger is all going to end in tears. Maybe not next year, or the year after that, but one day the whole thing will just collapse.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
Whataday posted:
I'm starting to get a feeling that this merger is all going to end in tears.

I don't doubt that for a moment, Matt.

However, probably NOT tears for Mr and Mrs Viewer.

Just tears for lovers of regional ITV and the OLD structure.

Sadly, that means a lot of members here and a fair number of people in the industry, but not many elsewhere.
WH
Whataday Founding member Wales Wales Today
Nick Harvey posted:
Whataday posted:
I'm starting to get a feeling that this merger is all going to end in tears.

I don't doubt that for a moment, Matt.

However, probably NOT tears for Mr and Mrs Viewer.

Just tears for lovers of regional ITV and the OLD structure.

Sadly, that means a lot of members here and a fair number of people in the industry, but not many elsewhere.


No, I mean it'll end in tears for ITV itself. I wouldn't mind if they ripped out the regional structure, if they replaced it with something more solid.

At the moment, the vibes I'm getting from ITV are not confident, no matter how many interviews Allen and Green do together, as if they're Terry & June.

How can a broadcaster operate successfully when so many of its employees disagree with the way in which it is run and are constantly fearing for their jobs? I know this is the situation for many businesses, but we're talking ITV employees here. There are programmes to be made.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
Ah, yes, get your point, Matt.

I have a similar feeling.
LU
Luke
Well, if people can't handle change in such an unpredictable industry, then that's their problem. There are always other people willing to take their places. Anyway, I got the impression that a singular ITV would mean more refined decision making and more aggreement.
WH
Whataday Founding member Wales Wales Today
CPFC posted:
There are always other people willing to take their places.



Those "other people" are not necessarily the best people for the job though, are they?
TW
Turnbull and Williams
The real point here is that ITV was set up as a network of regional stations, producing high quality, dedicated regional programming IN HOUSE. These regional identities are rapidly disappearing, as are the high quality programmes, which is very sad and flies in the face of everything ITV once stood for.

I can envisage a time when the BBC regions produce more programmes than the so-called ITV regional broadcasters.
LU
Luke
Turnbull & Williams posted:
The real point here is that ITV was set up as a network of regional stations, producing high quality, dedicated regional programming IN HOUSE. These regional identities are rapidly disappearing, as are the high quality programmes, which is very sad and flies in the face of everything ITV once stood for.

I can envisage a time when the BBC regions produce more programmes than the so-called ITV regional broadcasters.


Well, I see you're a fully paid-up member of the 'BBC Brigade'! It was inevitable that ITV would become a single company, it was just a question of how and when. Some forumers are romanticising the regional days as if they were really that special, when I bet they were taking it for granted. If this merger improves the quality of programmes on ITV, and they do stick to their promise on regional proramming thne nobody should be complaining.

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