MA
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
I don't know... would the nations pres areas have had access to a feed of production talkback? Easy enough for the director to cue them to cut to the breakdown slide (keeping network audio) just before the studio does and then to come back once the network one is off. Even if the timings were off glimpses of the network breakdown slide before the appropriate nation takes over are not unknown.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
MA
Probably not these days, but possibly might have been back in those dark ages of the 70s and 80s
Union thing? 
Probably not these days, but possibly might have been back in those dark ages of the 70s and 80s
SP
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
I don't know... would the nations pres areas have had access to a feed of production talkback? Easy enough for the director to cue them to cut to the breakdown slide (keeping network audio) just before the studio does and then to come back once the network one is off. Even if the timings were off glimpses of the network breakdown slide before the appropriate nation takes over are not unknown.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
IS
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
Yes its theoretically possible, but really not worth the hassle and heavily liable to error... and all for no real benefit.
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
Yes its theoretically possible, but really not worth the hassle and heavily liable to error... and all for no real benefit.
SP
Yes all hypothetical - but with the amazing attention to detail elsewhere you wouldn't have put it past them to try it
NG
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
With the new Morpheus ICE "Channel in a Box" IP Playout systems that Red Bee and the BBC Nations have it would have been difficult to have achieved it so slickly. Manually triggered cuts now seem to have something like a 2" pre-roll after all...
noggin
Founding member
I don't know... would the nations pres areas have had access to a feed of production talkback? Easy enough for the director to cue them to cut to the breakdown slide (keeping network audio) just before the studio does and then to come back once the network one is off. Even if the timings were off glimpses of the network breakdown slide before the appropriate nation takes over are not unknown.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
But yeah, probably more trouble than it was worth.
You're in the territory of 'Pres' being part of the the programmes's 'production sequence', so it probably crosses a line anyway ?
True, but in the nations, pres are BBC staff, and if they're doing it under the direction of the production I guess it *could* be done by agreement of all concerned - if there was the will and it was felt to be worth the hassle for the spoof to look authentic in the nations who rarely see network pres.
With the new Morpheus ICE "Channel in a Box" IP Playout systems that Red Bee and the BBC Nations have it would have been difficult to have achieved it so slickly. Manually triggered cuts now seem to have something like a 2" pre-roll after all...
NG
Not sure how Emergency cut works now it's an IP set-up, unless there is functionality downstream ?
There is also something like a 10-15 frame delay in the IP circuits and the ICE box before the cut point on normal shows too (i.e. you have to factor an ~0.5" delay between you and your output reaching pres, compared to the old HD-SDI days, ignoring additional link delays. This used to be 1-2 frames. Everyone now has to run their opening titles/pre-titles or cue their presenters earlier to mitigate this delay)
noggin
Founding member
is that the case even with emergency cut?
Not sure how Emergency cut works now it's an IP set-up, unless there is functionality downstream ?
There is also something like a 10-15 frame delay in the IP circuits and the ICE box before the cut point on normal shows too (i.e. you have to factor an ~0.5" delay between you and your output reaching pres, compared to the old HD-SDI days, ignoring additional link delays. This used to be 1-2 frames. Everyone now has to run their opening titles/pre-titles or cue their presenters earlier to mitigate this delay)