JO
That's an opinion.
We must remember that all of this is mainly virtue signalling, there is no logic in it.
That's an opinion.
NL
I've used this phrase on other threads but its just as valid perhaps even more so here.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
George Santayana
There are many programmes that over the years have been "of their time" by which I mean that they reflected the attitudes of the time. Shows like "Are You Being Served" and "Love Thy Neighbour" which at the time of transmission (Early 1970's onwards) wouldn't have generated either very little or no feedback whatsoever.
But in 2020 with our increased knowledge and awareness of social, racial and sexual discrimination these programmes are a very important point of reference as to asking "where did this start?"
We must keep these programmes in their full un-cut forms. Yes, by all means keep them off broadcast tv and streaming for the foreseeable future but keep them on DVD/Blu-ray (*) and where necessary add a rider perhaps in the form of a documentary or some kind of introduction a'la Whoopi Goldberg's segment on the Tom and Jerry DVD's.
That way we can exercise our own judgement and not be swayed.
(NB I say DVD/Blu-Ray because of the ability to lock out various classifications)
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
George Santayana
There are many programmes that over the years have been "of their time" by which I mean that they reflected the attitudes of the time. Shows like "Are You Being Served" and "Love Thy Neighbour" which at the time of transmission (Early 1970's onwards) wouldn't have generated either very little or no feedback whatsoever.
But in 2020 with our increased knowledge and awareness of social, racial and sexual discrimination these programmes are a very important point of reference as to asking "where did this start?"
We must keep these programmes in their full un-cut forms. Yes, by all means keep them off broadcast tv and streaming for the foreseeable future but keep them on DVD/Blu-ray (*) and where necessary add a rider perhaps in the form of a documentary or some kind of introduction a'la Whoopi Goldberg's segment on the Tom and Jerry DVD's.
That way we can exercise our own judgement and not be swayed.
(NB I say DVD/Blu-Ray because of the ability to lock out various classifications)
BF
TV executives really aren’t showing themselves in the best light here - as a result of the perfectly reasonable BLM protests they seem to be going to the opposite extreme of removing anything vaguely comedic in case they offend anyone and if in doubt remove it entirely - almost looking to find material offensive even if nobody is actually complaining about the material.
And this mass removal then leads to people giving articles like the Gavin & Stacey one (which seems a complete fabrication) possible credibility and the idea of The Inbetweeners being removes entirely seeming possible which is why people seemed to believe those stories. If you’ve seen many a show/movie be removed whether it be Little Britain, Gone With The Wind, Fawlty Towers it almost does feel like ‘What’s next’.
TV execs need to grow a pair to be honest. They currently seem to be behaving like headless chickens to the extent that W1A seems like a documentary and if anything too generous.
And this mass removal then leads to people giving articles like the Gavin & Stacey one (which seems a complete fabrication) possible credibility and the idea of The Inbetweeners being removes entirely seeming possible which is why people seemed to believe those stories. If you’ve seen many a show/movie be removed whether it be Little Britain, Gone With The Wind, Fawlty Towers it almost does feel like ‘What’s next’.
TV execs need to grow a pair to be honest. They currently seem to be behaving like headless chickens to the extent that W1A seems like a documentary and if anything too generous.
Last edited by BFGArmy on 12 June 2020 10:51am
JA
It's been a good way for the "PC Gawn maaaaaaaaaaaad" brigade to try and drown out the people who have been campaigning for real change.
BF
If the TV executives weren’t going so over the top with removing material though there wouldn’t really be any grounds for the ‘PC gone mad’ brigade to get angry about (not that that would stop them).
I think the fact it’s impacted so many often much loved shows means it’s cutting through beyond the usual ‘PC gone mad, you can’t say anything these days’ brigade.
And the whole is a shame as the valid points the BLM campaign is making are being lost in all of this - and they aren’t asking for this mass removal/review of past material particularly.
I think the fact it’s impacted so many often much loved shows means it’s cutting through beyond the usual ‘PC gone mad, you can’t say anything these days’ brigade.
And the whole is a shame as the valid points the BLM campaign is making are being lost in all of this - and they aren’t asking for this mass removal/review of past material particularly.
Last edited by BFGArmy on 12 June 2020 11:07am
WH
Whataday
Founding member
In case anyone is unaware of the contentious content which has caused the temporary removal of the episode of Fawlty Towers from UKTV Play, I've placed it in a spoiler below. I think it's important for context, should anyone be unaware.
WARNING: The below clip contains use of racial slurs including the N word:
Now I am fully aware that the character of the Major is an old buffoon that we are meant to laugh at, not with, but if you don't shudder at the use of the language, then you really don't get the effect these words have.
It's not "PC GONE MAD!!!" for a broadcaster to review content which contains language like this, or to reevaluate the use of blackface for entertainment purposes. I think the broadcasters have behaved in a correct (if long overdue) manner, and those that are jumping mad seem to have become the precious snowflakes they often malign.
WARNING: The below clip contains use of racial slurs including the N word:
Now I am fully aware that the character of the Major is an old buffoon that we are meant to laugh at, not with, but if you don't shudder at the use of the language, then you really don't get the effect these words have.
It's not "PC GONE MAD!!!" for a broadcaster to review content which contains language like this, or to reevaluate the use of blackface for entertainment purposes. I think the broadcasters have behaved in a correct (if long overdue) manner, and those that are jumping mad seem to have become the precious snowflakes they often malign.
JA
They always have been.
and those that are jumping mad seem to have become the precious snowflakes they often malign.
They always have been.
JA
Looking at the YouTube account of the person who posted that video, I get the impression they posted that video because they like that sort of language...
Looking at the YouTube account of the person who posted that video, I get the impression they posted that video because they like that sort of language...
AN
another_beauty
We must remember that all of this is mainly virtue signalling, there is no logic in it.
That's an opinion.
The logic is there for everyone to see. How they interpret it is down to each individual. But it cannot be denied. The definition of virtue signalling is clear.
Quote:
The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
If people think that media organisations deleting this content demonstrates such organisations are a particular way inclined to certain issues, and they are not just doing it to look like they are "woke", i'd say such people were a bit dim. It is just PR.
And just in time there is an article about the very subject of PR that has been published on the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200612-black-lives-matter-do-companies-really-support-the-cause
Last edited by another_beauty on 12 June 2020 11:26am - 2 times in total
MA
Err No!
Some of us prefer to watch classic programmes in their original uncut form. Not a censored version to fit today's narrative.
Some fail to grasp that classic programmes were a product of their time and should be viewed as such.
I'm most certainly not paying out for a Britbox subscription to view an incomplete archive of censored programming.
This could be one factor why Britbox struggling to keep and grow it's subscriber base, after the one month free trial.
Not everyone who wants to watch full and uncut programmes is a racist, bigot or 'phobe', or a defender of past attitudes. Some of us believe in 'purity', watching something as it was originally broadcast years ago.
In case anyone is unaware of the contentious content which has caused the temporary removal of the episode of Fawlty Towers from UKTV Play, I've placed it in a spoiler below. I think it's important for context, should anyone be unaware.
WARNING: The below clip contains use of racial slurs including the N word:
Now I am fully aware that the character of the Major is an old buffoon that we are meant to laugh at, not with, but if you don't shudder at the use of the language, then you really don't get the effect these words have.
I don't even agree with the cutting of out scenes on DVD releases due to 'music rights issues'. It spoils the episodes because a distributor is too tight to pay out for the rights.
I don't even agree with the cutting out of certain scenes on DVD releases due to 'music rights' issues, because the distributor is too tight to pay out for the rights.
It's not "PC GONE MAD!!!" for a broadcaster to review content which contains language like this, or to reevaluate the use of blackface for entertainment purposes. I think the broadcasters have behaved in a correct (if long overdue) manner, and those that are jumping mad seem to have become the precious snowflakes they often malign.
WARNING: The below clip contains use of racial slurs including the N word:
Now I am fully aware that the character of the Major is an old buffoon that we are meant to laugh at, not with, but if you don't shudder at the use of the language, then you really don't get the effect these words have.
I don't even agree with the cutting of out scenes on DVD releases due to 'music rights issues'. It spoils the episodes because a distributor is too tight to pay out for the rights.
I don't even agree with the cutting out of certain scenes on DVD releases due to 'music rights' issues, because the distributor is too tight to pay out for the rights.
It's not "PC GONE MAD!!!" for a broadcaster to review content which contains language like this, or to reevaluate the use of blackface for entertainment purposes. I think the broadcasters have behaved in a correct (if long overdue) manner, and those that are jumping mad seem to have become the precious snowflakes they often malign.
Err No!
Some of us prefer to watch classic programmes in their original uncut form. Not a censored version to fit today's narrative.
Some fail to grasp that classic programmes were a product of their time and should be viewed as such.
I'm most certainly not paying out for a Britbox subscription to view an incomplete archive of censored programming.
This could be one factor why Britbox struggling to keep and grow it's subscriber base, after the one month free trial.
Not everyone who wants to watch full and uncut programmes is a racist, bigot or 'phobe', or a defender of past attitudes. Some of us believe in 'purity', watching something as it was originally broadcast years ago.