JO
Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
My God you've got a good eye for detail! Not done from memory though - copied off an original.
The font they should have used is Univers, also known as Zurich BT.
It really does annoy me when I see Arial being touted as a font existing in the 80s and earlier when it didn't come into existence until c.1991. The only nearest font that DID exist earlier was Helvetica Rounded, which I suppose looks fairly similar to Arial Rounded, but only in so far as Arial looks fairly similar to Helvetica, but why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Also - I don't recall the name of the font that was used for the /B/B/C/ logo, but whatever it's called, it can't have disappeared into the digital abyss either, since "The Late Show" used it for all their astons in the early 90s, and incidentally was also used as the cover art font on Cathy Dennis' "Move To This" album.
So basically, it was entirely possible for a perfect recreation of the logo strap to have been done. It's just this current trend of replacing all sans serif fonts with Arial, Tahoma or Century Gothic really drives me nuts. What if "Life On Mars" was being produced in 2012? They'd probably display the /B/B/C/1/ COLOUR entirely in Times New Roman Bold Italic (and underline the /B/B/C/ aswell). In Paint.
I appreciate your comments Mark, and am sorry that BBC Wales annoyed you, but there is a real danger of over-analysis. It was only a bit of fun. It was on screen for around 10 seconds, and gave us possibly the last opportunity to use the mechanical globe model on-air for real.
In the absense of the real, actual, authentic 1973 font, would you have preferred it if we just hadn't have bothered?
Sometimes if you want to do these things you just have to take a pragmatic view, and achieve what you can when you can - safe in the knowledge that the vast majority of those who sat down to enjoy the programme would have appreciated a little tongue-in-cheek nostalgia before it.
I'm pretty sure not many of them were commenting on the use of the wrong font!
To be honest I was just glad the effort was made, I could have hardly have imagined seening an old Granda or Thames ident been used had it been on ITV
Looked good to me
Steve D posted:
Mark Boulton posted:
Steve D posted:
mulder posted:
Steve D posted:
Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
My God you've got a good eye for detail! Not done from memory though - copied off an original.
The font they should have used is Univers, also known as Zurich BT.
It really does annoy me when I see Arial being touted as a font existing in the 80s and earlier when it didn't come into existence until c.1991. The only nearest font that DID exist earlier was Helvetica Rounded, which I suppose looks fairly similar to Arial Rounded, but only in so far as Arial looks fairly similar to Helvetica, but why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Also - I don't recall the name of the font that was used for the /B/B/C/ logo, but whatever it's called, it can't have disappeared into the digital abyss either, since "The Late Show" used it for all their astons in the early 90s, and incidentally was also used as the cover art font on Cathy Dennis' "Move To This" album.
So basically, it was entirely possible for a perfect recreation of the logo strap to have been done. It's just this current trend of replacing all sans serif fonts with Arial, Tahoma or Century Gothic really drives me nuts. What if "Life On Mars" was being produced in 2012? They'd probably display the /B/B/C/1/ COLOUR entirely in Times New Roman Bold Italic (and underline the /B/B/C/ aswell). In Paint.
I appreciate your comments Mark, and am sorry that BBC Wales annoyed you, but there is a real danger of over-analysis. It was only a bit of fun. It was on screen for around 10 seconds, and gave us possibly the last opportunity to use the mechanical globe model on-air for real.
In the absense of the real, actual, authentic 1973 font, would you have preferred it if we just hadn't have bothered?
Sometimes if you want to do these things you just have to take a pragmatic view, and achieve what you can when you can - safe in the knowledge that the vast majority of those who sat down to enjoy the programme would have appreciated a little tongue-in-cheek nostalgia before it.
I'm pretty sure not many of them were commenting on the use of the wrong font!
To be honest I was just glad the effort was made, I could have hardly have imagined seening an old Granda or Thames ident been used had it been on ITV
Looked good to me
