Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
My God you've got a good eye for detail! Not done from memory though - copied off an original.
Any theories on what DI Tyler's task is to rescue him from 1973, given to him by the mysterious caller from Hyde? I reckon it could something to do with Gene Hunt; but if he is to star in a spin-off, Sam won't be able to kill him!
Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
My God you've got a good eye for detail! Not done from memory though - copied off an original.
The font they should have used is Univers, also known as Zurich BT.
It really does annoy me when I see Arial being touted as a font existing in the 80s and earlier when it didn't come into existence until c.1991. The only nearest font that DID exist earlier was Helvetica Rounded, which I suppose looks fairly similar to Arial Rounded, but only in so far as Arial looks fairly similar to Helvetica, but why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Also - I don't recall the name of the font that was used for the /B/B/C/ logo, but whatever it's called, it can't have disappeared into the digital abyss either, since "The Late Show" used it for all their astons in the early 90s, and incidentally was also used as the cover art font on Cathy Dennis' "Move To This" album.
So basically, it was entirely possible for a perfect recreation of the logo strap to have been done. It's just this current trend of replacing all sans serif fonts with Arial, Tahoma or Century Gothic really drives me nuts. What if "Life On Mars" was being produced in 2012? They'd probably display the /B/B/C/1/ COLOUR entirely in Times New Roman Bold Italic (and underline the /B/B/C/ aswell). In Paint.
why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Steve explained that they only had 3 hours and no budget to do it, and so quickly finding a close font by running through all the fonts they had was all they could do.
Thanks for the info on the font. The BBC logo font is probably Derek Italic.
Well spotted! The globe itself retains its last branding - the 1981 'double-line' lettering.
So the legend is a recreation / mock up like I thought. I reckon it was done from memory, based on the legend on the idents posted above. I'm trying to work out if it should actually use Helvetica or just that similar font with the different R (in COLOUR and CYMRU).
My God you've got a good eye for detail! Not done from memory though - copied off an original.
The font they should have used is Univers, also known as Zurich BT.
It really does annoy me when I see Arial being touted as a font existing in the 80s and earlier when it didn't come into existence until c.1991. The only nearest font that DID exist earlier was Helvetica Rounded, which I suppose looks fairly similar to Arial Rounded, but only in so far as Arial looks fairly similar to Helvetica, but why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Also - I don't recall the name of the font that was used for the /B/B/C/ logo, but whatever it's called, it can't have disappeared into the digital abyss either, since "The Late Show" used it for all their astons in the early 90s, and incidentally was also used as the cover art font on Cathy Dennis' "Move To This" album.
So basically, it was entirely possible for a perfect recreation of the logo strap to have been done. It's just this current trend of replacing all sans serif fonts with Arial, Tahoma or Century Gothic really drives me nuts. What if "Life On Mars" was being produced in 2012? They'd probably display the /B/B/C/1/ COLOUR entirely in Times New Roman Bold Italic (and underline the /B/B/C/ aswell). In Paint.
I appreciate your comments Mark, and am sorry that BBC Wales annoyed you, but there is a real danger of over-analysis. It was only a bit of fun. It was on screen for around 10 seconds, and gave us possibly the last opportunity to use the mechanical globe model on-air for real.
In the absense of the real, actual, authentic 1973 font, would you have preferred it if we just hadn't have bothered?
Sometimes if you want to do these things you just have to take a pragmatic view, and achieve what you can when you can - safe in the knowledge that the vast majority of those who sat down to enjoy the programme would have appreciated a little tongue-in-cheek nostalgia before it.
I'm pretty sure not many of them were commenting on the use of the wrong font!
It really does annoy me when I see Arial being touted as a font existing in the 80s and earlier when it didn't come into existence until c.1991. The only nearest font that DID exist earlier was Helvetica Rounded, which I suppose looks fairly similar to Arial Rounded, but only in so far as Arial looks fairly similar to Helvetica, but why bother using a font which looks 'almost' the same when the fonts that look *exactly* the same still exist and are available digitally aswell?
Helvetica is no longer commercially available - they completely redid it since the "family" had become a bit of a mess, and the current version is known as Helvetica Neue [It is, of course, similar, but see Paul C's 2-related rants in the BBC2 rebranding threads over a difference I can't see. I expect that you'd be in a similar position as him with the 2 had they used Helv Neue]
Similar idents to last week on Network and Wales, although the latter didn't break into Kites like last week and had a different v/o. Did Scotland and NI do anything different this week?
Similar idents to last week on Network and Wales, although the latter didn't break into Kites like last week and had a different v/o. Did Scotland and NI do anything different this week?
see Paul C's 2-related rants in the BBC2 rebranding threads over a difference I can't see. I expect that you'd be in a similar position as him with the 2 had they used Helv Neue
Eh? Don't bring my comments into this!
Reboot, I'm in complete agreement with you regarding the Globe recreation; we shouldn't expect an idea produced on no budget and limited time to be a precise replica, especially since it only gets shown on-screen for a moment, and will be retired at the end of the series.
Given the constraints
, that's only fair.
However, I think perhaps to compare that with my points about the new '2' being the wrong shape isn't relevant at all, because it's a different kettle of fish; much greater time for creation, considerable budget etc. I stand by what I've said, some people agree with me, but drawing comparisons between the '2' and what has been discussed in this topic makes no sense for those very reasons.
