JO
I think the ending can be understood in many different ways. Thats why it was such an amazing, and superb ending. I look forward to the spin off, but I understand that Sam wont be in the new series.
If he was actualy in 1973, how come he knew so much about the future?
It was an excellent ending, even if it did kind of leave things up in the air.
Perhaps Ray, Annie, Chris & Gene Hunt return in the 1983 spin off and in the opening episode they talk about Sam's death a few years prior whilst on a job?
gregmc posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Good twist, 1973 was "heaven"
Be interesting to see how they'll link up to the spin off now.
Actually was 2006 a dream I'm confused
Be interesting to see how they'll link up to the spin off now.
Actually was 2006 a dream I'm confused
I think the ending can be understood in many different ways. Thats why it was such an amazing, and superb ending. I look forward to the spin off, but I understand that Sam wont be in the new series.
If he was actualy in 1973, how come he knew so much about the future?
It was an excellent ending, even if it did kind of leave things up in the air.
Perhaps Ray, Annie, Chris & Gene Hunt return in the 1983 spin off and in the opening episode they talk about Sam's death a few years prior whilst on a job?
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BE
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
DJ Dave posted:
lol what? great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
JO
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
Ah but did he kill himself, this is the thing are they saying that 2006 was a dream and 1973 is real life or that 1973 is "heaven" or "hell".
Either way it doesn't explain how Gene Hunt will end up with his spin off, although it could happen as I had said a few posts back with Sam dead in 1983, hence the name of "Ashes To Ashes" for the new series
besty posted:
DJ Dave posted:
lol what? great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
Ah but did he kill himself, this is the thing are they saying that 2006 was a dream and 1973 is real life or that 1973 is "heaven" or "hell".
Either way it doesn't explain how Gene Hunt will end up with his spin off, although it could happen as I had said a few posts back with Sam dead in 1983, hence the name of "Ashes To Ashes" for the new series
RM
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
Yes I'd agree with that assessment. He knew so much about the future, because the future (2006) was real, 1973 was his coma state.
He killed himself at the end to "return" to 1973... I doubt you'd end up in a coma if you jumped off a building that high-- you'd be Hovis! So why did he hear the 2006 Frank Morgan talking to him on the radio right at the very end if he was dead ("I hate that channel")? All very Run Lola Run !
besty posted:
DJ Dave posted:
lol what? great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
great ending I got the idea 2007 was all a dream, as he said about the knife not being real.
No - the point is he didn't feel it (as his mind was pre-occupied) and as such life was not worth living, like Nelson said. He felt "alive" in his coma-like state, but real life held nothing for him, which is why he killed himself
Yes I'd agree with that assessment. He knew so much about the future, because the future (2006) was real, 1973 was his coma state.
He killed himself at the end to "return" to 1973... I doubt you'd end up in a coma if you jumped off a building that high-- you'd be Hovis! So why did he hear the 2006 Frank Morgan talking to him on the radio right at the very end if he was dead ("I hate that channel")? All very Run Lola Run !
PS
He didn't feel alive in 2006 - not feeling the cut on his finger was proof of this - earlier in the programme he mentioned that to be alive is to feel and that to feel nothing is to be dead. He jumped off the building, risking posible death, to try and go back into a coma and back to the 70s, where he felt alive. The voices on the car radio were symbolism for people talking to him in the coma in 2006 - and him tuning to another frequency meant he was ingnoring/not responding.
PC
The favoured option at the eternally-cheery (but probably realistic) Digital Spy:
He was in a coma in 2006. He imagined waking up, but knew it was fake since he couldn't feel anything. He jumped and was brought back to his 1970's coma and docs realised he was in PVS.
A lot of the others don't make sense. Really being in 1973 makes no sense given all the references from 2007. Really being in 2007 makes no sense as he's gone back in time again, unless you're going with a sci-fi option of time travel. The one above is the most realistic - beyond anything else it explains why the radio said stuff like 'we're losing him' and the TV was switched off at the end.
Beyond that you're really looking for lateral thinking or an afterlife.
He was in a coma in 2006. He imagined waking up, but knew it was fake since he couldn't feel anything. He jumped and was brought back to his 1970's coma and docs realised he was in PVS.
A lot of the others don't make sense. Really being in 1973 makes no sense given all the references from 2007. Really being in 2007 makes no sense as he's gone back in time again, unless you're going with a sci-fi option of time travel. The one above is the most realistic - beyond anything else it explains why the radio said stuff like 'we're losing him' and the TV was switched off at the end.
Beyond that you're really looking for lateral thinking or an afterlife.
RM
I see what you're saying, but bearing in mind how high the building was and the fact it seemed to be surrounded by concrete, would he have realistically survived/ended up in a coma? Surely you would be dead if you fell from that height onto concrete?
Paul_S_UK posted:
He didn't feel alive in 2006 - not feeling the cut on his finger was proof of this - earlier in the programme he mentioned that to be alive is to feel and that to feel nothing is to be dead. He jumped off the building, risking posible death, to try and go back into a coma and back to the 70s, where he felt alive. The voices on the car radio were symbolism for people talking to him in the coma in 2006 - and him tuning to another frequency meant he was ingnoring/not responding.
I see what you're saying, but bearing in mind how high the building was and the fact it seemed to be surrounded by concrete, would he have realistically survived/ended up in a coma? Surely you would be dead if you fell from that height onto concrete?
GL
Exactly. We don't know if he killed himself and that 1973 is "heaven", or if he simply made himself go back into the same coma and decided to ignore any help to return to the present. Either way, he felt more alive in the 1973 state than he did in the 2006/7 state, because of being unable to feel his finger. And the TV being switched off is also clever - were we imagining his exploits ourselves? Was 1973 real and the girl just switched us into a coma? Or was their world a coma and she switched us on to the real world?
More questions than answers, but that's why I like the ending. To make it more ambiguous, the four minutes at the end were a "second ending" according to Simm I think, so it may have ended with Sam jumping off the building, leaving us to imagine what happened next.
More questions than answers, but that's why I like the ending. To make it more ambiguous, the four minutes at the end were a "second ending" according to Simm I think, so it may have ended with Sam jumping off the building, leaving us to imagine what happened next.
PS
So maybe he did die after jumping off the building...but why would he continue to exist in 1973? The only reason for the 1973 aspect of the programme is the coma in 2006?
Roger Mellie posted:
I see what you're saying, but bearing in mind how high the building was and the fact it seemed to be surrounded by concrete, would he have realistically survived/ended up in a coma? Surely you would be dead if you fell from that height onto concrete?
So maybe he did die after jumping off the building...but why would he continue to exist in 1973? The only reason for the 1973 aspect of the programme is the coma in 2006?