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I noticed that it wasn't broadcast in both English and French... shows you how arrogant the French are about their 'beautiful, romantic' language. At the end of the day, most countries will understand English, that's why in the normal Eurovision most of the songs are in English - most people understand them and they will get more votes.
France weren't competing this year, and so it wasn't broadcast in French. Mark my words - if France are in it next year they'll make sure it's broadcast in French. You don't see the Swedish or Dutch demand it broadcast in their native languages, so the French should 'push oeuf' - it would compress the show by about 20 minutes if they didn't have to repeat everything!
I didn't mind the colourful ITV1 graphics that were overlayed, but the timing was a bit sloppy when they were giving you the numbers to call - usually there's a flash in between clips so that the whole screen goes white and this allows the broadcaster to update the information seamlessly, although ITV seemed to take the info off a bit early.
I'm guessing that we were one of the only countries to have txt voting?
France weren't competing this year, and so it wasn't broadcast in French. Mark my words - if France are in it next year they'll make sure it's broadcast in French. You don't see the Swedish or Dutch demand it broadcast in their native languages, so the French should 'push oeuf' - it would compress the show by about 20 minutes if they didn't have to repeat everything!
I didn't mind the colourful ITV1 graphics that were overlayed, but the timing was a bit sloppy when they were giving you the numbers to call - usually there's a flash in between clips so that the whole screen goes white and this allows the broadcaster to update the information seamlessly, although ITV seemed to take the info off a bit early.
I'm guessing that we were one of the only countries to have txt voting?
NG
The JESC have decided to pre-decide who will broadcast the competition to "reduce the pressure" on the junior entrants. This is probably a valid thought - though it also makes it easier to ensure a well resourced broadcaster gets it...
The adult ESC brings a huge amount of publicity to the country that wins it - and the smaller countries especially are desperate to win it... Quite good not to put young children under quite such a pressure to win?
noggin
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TVF posted:
I think the EBU decided in advance that each country would get a turn at hosting the Junior Eurovision show. The UK was just next in line.
The one thing ITV1 is good at is live shows, well apart from the last NTA awards!
The one thing ITV1 is good at is live shows, well apart from the last NTA awards!
The JESC have decided to pre-decide who will broadcast the competition to "reduce the pressure" on the junior entrants. This is probably a valid thought - though it also makes it easier to ensure a well resourced broadcaster gets it...
The adult ESC brings a huge amount of publicity to the country that wins it - and the smaller countries especially are desperate to win it... Quite good not to put young children under quite such a pressure to win?
MN
MarkN
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Would the use of French in the main Eurovision Song Contest be because one of the official languages of EBU/UER is French, and not because the French insisted on its use? (whether or not the French insisted on its use in the EBU overall is another matter)
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NG
I suspect that the use of French was ditched because France weren't taking part... Whilst it is an official EBU/UER language, I think the rules governing broadcast presentation are much more relaxed these days. This may be because the EBU is increasing in size - and the percentage of French speaking countries is now reduced? Pragmatically English is the more spoken language in the EBU now - when one takes into account the Baltic and former Soviet and Eastern Bloc countries.
noggin
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MarkN posted:
Would the use of French in the main Eurovision Song Contest be because one of the official languages of EBU/UER is French, and not because the French insisted on its use? (whether or not the French insisted on its use in the EBU overall is another matter)
European Broadcasting Union
Union Européenne de Radio-Télévision
Just like:
World Trade Organization
Organisation Mondiale du Commerce
World Health Organization
Organisation Mondiale de la Santé
United Nations
Nations Unies
etc.
European Broadcasting Union
Union Européenne de Radio-Télévision
Just like:
World Trade Organization
Organisation Mondiale du Commerce
World Health Organization
Organisation Mondiale de la Santé
United Nations
Nations Unies
etc.
I suspect that the use of French was ditched because France weren't taking part... Whilst it is an official EBU/UER language, I think the rules governing broadcast presentation are much more relaxed these days. This may be because the EBU is increasing in size - and the percentage of French speaking countries is now reduced? Pragmatically English is the more spoken language in the EBU now - when one takes into account the Baltic and former Soviet and Eastern Bloc countries.
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Overall an Entertaining show Mark and Tara were good they had the right attitude while presenting it they knew it wasnt the best programme in the world and managed to take the mick out of everything at least once which was good i hope that tara isnt asked to present it next year just because she seemed very nervous in the qualiflying rounds and the job needs some one with alot of confidence maybe Cat Deeley but they will probably give the show the ITV2 treatment with 'Countdown to Junior Eurovision' and 'Junior Eurovision Extra'! maybe Tara could do that Mark Is OK though
NG
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme)
Mark was OK - in a dry kind of way - but TPT was just terrible. How scripted was their banter???!!!
One of the brilliant things about the main Eurovision Song Contest in recent years has been how well directed, and technically well presented, the shows have been. The music may still be as terrible as ever - but the programmes have always been watchable - a kind of good/bad show rolled into one. This programme was just bad...
I've seen some of the Swedish MelodiFestival programmes (a rough equivalent of the UK Song for Europe selection shows) and they are fantastic. Let's hope the proposed big, spectacular, BBC show to chose the UK's entry for next year is as good as the Swedish one!
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
noggin
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mikey posted:
Overall an Entertaining show Mark and Tara were good they had the right attitude while presenting it they knew it wasnt the best programme in the world and managed to take the mick out of everything at least once which was good i hope that tara isnt asked to present it next year just because she seemed very nervous in the qualiflying rounds and the job needs some one with alot of confidence maybe Cat Deeley but they will probably give the show the ITV2 treatment with 'Countdown to Junior Eurovision' and 'Junior Eurovision Extra'! maybe Tara could do that Mark Is OK though
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme)
Mark was OK - in a dry kind of way - but TPT was just terrible. How scripted was their banter???!!!
One of the brilliant things about the main Eurovision Song Contest in recent years has been how well directed, and technically well presented, the shows have been. The music may still be as terrible as ever - but the programmes have always been watchable - a kind of good/bad show rolled into one. This programme was just bad...
I've seen some of the Swedish MelodiFestival programmes (a rough equivalent of the UK Song for Europe selection shows) and they are fantastic. Let's hope the proposed big, spectacular, BBC show to chose the UK's entry for next year is as good as the Swedish one!
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
HC
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme) )
Agreed. In one act, a backing dancer hit the stage steadycam forcing into a drag ground shot, the director then in a fit of panic cut to another camera, which was pointing to the green room. Useless.
The worst bit though was the emarassment with Spain trying to give 11 points during the voting, and rather than amend to 10 points, the poor girl was harrased into give the points all over again. Shurely the Visrt scoreboard graphics engine could have coped with this botch-up?
And who decided on the pre-start of act shot from the back of the arena? Having a steady flow of Danes coming back after having a waz does not make for good television.
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
noggin posted:
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme) )
Agreed. In one act, a backing dancer hit the stage steadycam forcing into a drag ground shot, the director then in a fit of panic cut to another camera, which was pointing to the green room. Useless.
The worst bit though was the emarassment with Spain trying to give 11 points during the voting, and rather than amend to 10 points, the poor girl was harrased into give the points all over again. Shurely the Visrt scoreboard graphics engine could have coped with this botch-up?
And who decided on the pre-start of act shot from the back of the arena? Having a steady flow of Danes coming back after having a waz does not make for good television.
noggin posted:
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
DA
This, I believe, is a Eurovision rule rather than something exclusive to the TV coverage. It has happened before - in the event of the spokesperson making an error by awarding the wrong points to the wrong country, the scoring must start over from the beginning. This isn't because of the scoreboard or anything - just for a guarantee of fairness and accuracy. Remember the Eurovision supervisor person thing is there watching!
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
Interesting how SVT are very much the favoured producer ever since their contest. I know they were extremely heavily involved with the Danish contest because of the links between the countries' broadcasters. They've certainly proved how brilliantly they can produce a contest, and how well equipped they are.
This brings me on to the issue of the scoreboard... BBC (News) Resources designed and operated the board in the British final, and then the year after in Israel (I think Israel, anyway). Thereafter, Vizrt have taken over - was this switch simply a cost issue? It was rather nice seeing the BBC Resources logo flash up on screen across Europe every other shot!
DAS
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The worst bit though was the emarassment with Spain trying to give 11 points during the voting, and rather than amend to 10 points, the poor girl was harrased into give the points all over again. Shurely the Visrt scoreboard graphics engine could have coped with this botch-up?
This, I believe, is a Eurovision rule rather than something exclusive to the TV coverage. It has happened before - in the event of the spokesperson making an error by awarding the wrong points to the wrong country, the scoring must start over from the beginning. This isn't because of the scoreboard or anything - just for a guarantee of fairness and accuracy. Remember the Eurovision supervisor person thing is there watching!
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noggin posted:
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
Interesting how SVT are very much the favoured producer ever since their contest. I know they were extremely heavily involved with the Danish contest because of the links between the countries' broadcasters. They've certainly proved how brilliantly they can produce a contest, and how well equipped they are.
This brings me on to the issue of the scoreboard... BBC (News) Resources designed and operated the board in the British final, and then the year after in Israel (I think Israel, anyway). Thereafter, Vizrt have taken over - was this switch simply a cost issue? It was rather nice seeing the BBC Resources logo flash up on screen across Europe every other shot!
AN
There was a section during the results when the presenters went to have a chat in the greenroom, wasn't that an ad break point that ITV1 didn't take?
Another reason for pre-selecting the host country maybe to avoid the same country hosting the adult and kids contests in the same year. Some smaller broadcasters wouldn't be able to afford two shows maybe?
Andrew
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noggin posted:
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme)
There was a section during the results when the presenters went to have a chat in the greenroom, wasn't that an ad break point that ITV1 didn't take?
Another reason for pre-selecting the host country maybe to avoid the same country hosting the adult and kids contests in the same year. Some smaller broadcasters wouldn't be able to afford two shows maybe?
WI
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme) )
Agreed. In one act, a backing dancer hit the stage steadycam forcing into a drag ground shot, the director then in a fit of panic cut to another camera, which was pointing to the green room. Useless.
The worst bit though was the emarassment with Spain trying to give 11 points during the voting, and rather than amend to 10 points, the poor girl was harrased into give the points all over again. Shurely the Visrt scoreboard graphics engine could have coped with this botch-up?
And who decided on the pre-start of act shot from the back of the arena? Having a steady flow of Danes coming back after having a waz does not make for good television.
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
Several of the numbers looked as though they'd had no camera rehearsal at all, and they were just cutting up cameras at random. And what happened with the sound during the interval acts?... the backing track must have been faded in and out at least 3 times.
Re: the scoreboard - they did actually manage to go back one step just before they decided to do it all over again. I thought the scoreboard design was one of the best yet - i.e. obvious to see who was in the lead, who had scored points in the current round and who was yet to vote.
Would be interested to know people's theories regarding the coverage of the Manchester one in a year's time - e.g. supposing Saturday's BARB figures show no-one watched it - have ITV already signed up to be the host broadcaster for next year, would it be subcontracted out to BBC Resources (regardless of whether BBC decide to show it or not) as they are the EBU member, and so on..
william
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Hatton Cross posted:
noggin posted:
You are joking aren't you? It was like watching a car crash.
The Danish TV host-broadcast presentation was abysmal - the production was appalling. Terrible camera shots, poorly covered music numbers, dodgy sound, charisma-free presenters, very loose junctions, and you could tell ITV1 were heavily involved by the number of ad-break opt-outs... (Far more than the main Eurovision programme) )
Agreed. In one act, a backing dancer hit the stage steadycam forcing into a drag ground shot, the director then in a fit of panic cut to another camera, which was pointing to the green room. Useless.
The worst bit though was the emarassment with Spain trying to give 11 points during the voting, and rather than amend to 10 points, the poor girl was harrased into give the points all over again. Shurely the Visrt scoreboard graphics engine could have coped with this botch-up?
And who decided on the pre-start of act shot from the back of the arena? Having a steady flow of Danes coming back after having a waz does not make for good television.
noggin posted:
It'll be interesting to see how Turkey cope with the show - at least they'll be getting a rehearsal on-air with the pre-selection semi-finals a day or three before the main final. (Wonder if this will be on BBC Three or BBC One? I suspect Three as the UK is guaranteed a place in the final)
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
Several of the numbers looked as though they'd had no camera rehearsal at all, and they were just cutting up cameras at random. And what happened with the sound during the interval acts?... the backing track must have been faded in and out at least 3 times.
Re: the scoreboard - they did actually manage to go back one step just before they decided to do it all over again. I thought the scoreboard design was one of the best yet - i.e. obvious to see who was in the lead, who had scored points in the current round and who was yet to vote.
Would be interested to know people's theories regarding the coverage of the Manchester one in a year's time - e.g. supposing Saturday's BARB figures show no-one watched it - have ITV already signed up to be the host broadcaster for next year, would it be subcontracted out to BBC Resources (regardless of whether BBC decide to show it or not) as they are the EBU member, and so on..
NG
Interesting - thanks for that. So SVT's director (who also does MelodiFestival - certainly the camera script for Sweden's ESC entry "Fame" last year was very similar in btoh shows
) will have done Sweden, Estonia, Latvia and now Turkey? (I think they weren't as heavily involved with the Denmark contest in between?) Maybe the EBU should just employ him!
Weren't YLE also involved with Estonia's event - I guess they picked up some of the comms requirements?
Also - haven't SVT also hired in facilities companies for part of the OB requirement - in addition to using their own scanners? On these occasions it is quite common to use more than one truck (I think the Beeb used two in 9
Good news that it will be well produced again though. The shows that SVT have been involved in have all been pretty slick - though I thought last years was a bit "chuck loads of jibs at it" - with less art than in previous years. (I still think Geoff Posner did a fantastic job of the UK's show in '98 - some of the sequences were simply beautiful)
noggin
Founding member
Hatton Cross posted:
No it won't - they've already sub-contracted out the direction of the live show and use of the ob units to SVT for next year.
Interesting - thanks for that. So SVT's director (who also does MelodiFestival - certainly the camera script for Sweden's ESC entry "Fame" last year was very similar in btoh shows
) will have done Sweden, Estonia, Latvia and now Turkey? (I think they weren't as heavily involved with the Denmark contest in between?) Maybe the EBU should just employ him!
Weren't YLE also involved with Estonia's event - I guess they picked up some of the comms requirements?
Also - haven't SVT also hired in facilities companies for part of the OB requirement - in addition to using their own scanners? On these occasions it is quite common to use more than one truck (I think the Beeb used two in 9
Good news that it will be well produced again though. The shows that SVT have been involved in have all been pretty slick - though I thought last years was a bit "chuck loads of jibs at it" - with less art than in previous years. (I still think Geoff Posner did a fantastic job of the UK's show in '98 - some of the sequences were simply beautiful)