The genome for random dates in the early 80s shows the news scheduled straight after BP, but I think Magic Roundabout etc were shown in that slot at some time.
Oooh, quite likely, though I ceased being a child in 1981, so had given up watching BP etc. I was referring to the mid 1970s ?
The genome for random dates in the early 80s shows the news scheduled straight after BP, but I think Magic Roundabout etc were shown in that slot at some time.
In those days when schedules were more flexible, whether there or not was a five minute animation before the news depended on what time Blue Peter happened to start that day - for example, on 21st February 1983, Blue Peter is on at 5.10 with the news straight after, whereas on 24th February 1983, Blue Peter starts at 5.05, so there's room for Paddington to come on at 5.35.
Between 12:45 and 13:15, you're dealing with no less than six lives: Football Focus, Saturday Sportsday, National News, Regional News, Weather, and the F1. None of them difficult per se... but doing six within half an hour is harder than it sounds.
But considering all my trails are safely on server, I think it's fair to say I'm just spoilt compared to the old days
The genome for random dates in the early 80s shows the news scheduled straight after BP, but I think Magic Roundabout etc were shown in that slot at some time.
In those days when schedules were more flexible, whether there or not was a five minute animation before the news depended on what time Blue Peter happened to start that day - for example, on 21st February 1983, Blue Peter is on at 5.10 with the news straight after, whereas on 24th February 1983, Blue Peter starts at 5.05, so there's room for Paddington to come on at 5.35.
Try this for a Nations junction from hell, from a few years ago...
Live Snooker on network BBC ONE, other live sport on network BBC TWO...
Network planning on moving the Snooker across to TWO (so as not to mess up the Saturday night schedule on One) , once the live sport programme on TWO finishes.
In Northern Ireland... We had a local programme which had to TX on TWO, so needed to keep the Snooker on ONE.
So... We didn't know exactly when the Snooker was coming off air on ONE, because we didn't know what time the live programme on TWO was finishing. Therefore we didn't know exactly how long our local junction between both bits of Snooker was going to be (as we were taking the off air time from network ONE, and the on air time from network TWO).
Then when we had the Snooker (from TWO) on air locally on ONE... we also had to find an appropriate early opt out point (not taking the post match chat) so that we could put on Final Score NI (obviously live)... They then had to make up a programme to fit the duration (of course not knowing in advance what time they'd be on air) while I was unable to give them an exact off air time due to there being a live programme on network BBC ONE at the time.
It all worked out ok actually... Must dig out the video of it for old times sake.
Apparently the junction from hell used to be the one between Blue Peter and the news, which was at 5.40 in those days. The junction contained a 50 second trail which the regions used to opt out of to trail the regional news, and which was difficult to drop without upsetting the regions.
There is a clip of an episode of Did You See from 1980 knocking around that shows NC1 doing that 5:40 news junction. Not sure if it's on YouTube, I'm not in a position to look at the moment
Try this for a Nations junction from hell, from a few years ago...
Live Snooker on network BBC ONE, other live sport on network BBC TWO...
Network planning on moving the Snooker across to TWO (so as not to mess up the Saturday night schedule on One) , once the live sport programme on TWO finishes.
In Northern Ireland... We had a local programme which had to TX on TWO, so needed to keep the Snooker on ONE.
So... We didn't know exactly when the Snooker was coming off air on ONE, because we didn't know what time the live programme on TWO was finishing. Therefore we didn't know exactly how long our local junction between both bits of Snooker was going to be (as we were taking the off air time from network ONE, and the on air time from network TWO).
Then when we had the Snooker (from TWO) on air locally on ONE... we also had to find an appropriate early opt out point (not taking the post match chat) so that we could put on Final Score NI (obviously live)... They then had to make up a programme to fit the duration (of course not knowing in advance what time they'd be on air) while I was unable to give them an exact off air time due to there being a live programme on network BBC ONE at the time.
It all worked out ok actually... Must dig out the video of it for old times sake.
Did you have to put a junction in on
1? Could you not just stay with the Snooker?
BBC Scotland are still guilty of letting us see the first seconds of network trailers before cutting away. It's only recently they've started playing the news drumbeat at the correct time during the opening headlines. Before the Reporting Scotland drums sounded at a different speed etc
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1? Could you not just stay with the Snooker?[/quote]
Yes, we did need a junction.
The BBC ONE network clean feed switches away to a holding slide once a programme is off air, before cueing up the next source.
The manually switchable clean feed was being used by BBC TWO NI to get off their programme (using the BBC TWO progs only source), and there wouldn't have been enough time to switch it to the actual OS source of the Snooker.
The only way we could've stayed with the Snooker would have been to arrange our own separate circuit from the OB... Which would've been rather expensive just for a minute of airtime.
BBC Scotland are still guilty of letting us see the first seconds of network trailers before cutting away. It's only recently they've started playing the news drumbeat at the correct time during the opening headlines. Before the Reporting Scotland drums sounded at a different speed etc
I tend to witness more of this type of thing on BBC Two Scotland. I'd be interested to know what exactly the branding/pres policy is for BBC Two Scotland. It's the most bizarre mishmash. They seem to have a continuity announcer/director covering most junctions and inserting locally branded trails for any BBC One programmes and locally branded trails for any local BBC Two programmes. Occasionally, a BBC Two network programme will have local branding (if the programme has been timeshifted). BUT, more often than not, they will take the network ident - even where most of the trails will have been inserted locally - this is the bit that really confuses me. They also use ECP graphics now - and cross channel promotions on BBC One Scotland, will refer to BBC Two Scotland, even for a networked programme. All of this dipping in and out of a dirty BBC Two feed tends to result in frames of the preceding/next network event being shown in error, which looks rather clumsy.
Both BBC Scotland and BBC Wales continuity also seem to increase the audio on the ident, when the announcer has finished speaking. I personally detest this practice. The results are particularly awful when the next programme has a silent start. BBC Northern Ireland and Network fade down the ident audio in the second or two leading in to the next programme.
