In any other publicly-funded organisation he would have been fired for bringing the company into disrepute.
But you forget the fact that many people still like him. You may not be one of them, but at least try to see things from the point of view of someone who actually
enjoys
Ross's brand of humour.
Personal snipes at Jugalug just shines a light onto the dire quality of your character, Mr Guru. In addition to this, barking the same old polemic like a Yorkshire Terrier caught in barbed wire will not serve to endear your opinion to any receptive ears/eyes that may exist; valid though those opinions may be. It has been made crystal clear that you oppose Mr Ross's return to television following his suspension; but I will reiterate the following point: the offence has been punished and the punishment served. I suggest you allow him to continue entertaining the sizeable audience he attracts whilst (I would imagine happily for you) distancing yourself accordingly. One suspects your principled stand would not allow Jeffrey Archer to continue writing books, or not allow Stephen Fry television time - both have been convicted and imprisoned for crimes in the past. Are we to judge Ross for a prank phone call when our media are already inundated with reformed characters with pasts they'd prefer to let lie?
It like this - I disagree with you.
In any other publicly-funded organisation he would have been fired for bringing the company into disrepute.
And as for personal snipes - so far today in here I've been called an old queen and an idiot.
But hey - I choose not to lift up my skirt and flounce off like a pantomime dame.
Can I ask you a question, would you like the licence fee to be scrapped? because if you do, then honestly you think the BBC is bad now then look at ITV to see how bad it would become without the licence fee.
Ross said some lewd words, it wasn't entirely unique what he did & to be honest other comedians have said a lot worse & have had less hassle hurled at them (think Billy Connolly a few years back).
The main reason a big fuss has been kicked up here is because of the leaks of his (and several other peoples) supposed salary. Ever since then the Mail, Express & other sh*tey papers have done their utmost to get rid of these presenters.
The newspapers really need to get a sense of perspective with this hold sodding situation, he did his crime & served his time, end of discussion.
If you don't like it then why don't you burn your licence fee in protest?
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
It would instantly take away the arrogance and hubris of the BBC management which is plainly out of touch with their viewers and which allows such basic broadcasting errors like the Ross/Brand fiasco to even reach the airwaves in the first place.
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
It would instantly take away the arrogance and hubris of the BBC management which is plainly out of touch with their viewers and which allows such basic broadcasting errors like the Ross/Brand fiasco to even reach the airwaves in the first place.
Well I don't visit the newsroom section so I wouldn't have seen your post, no.
Hmm, have you forgot the Ant & Dec Saturday Night Takeaway fiasco from last year? Or is ITV immune because it doesn't take the majority share of the cash from the licence fee?
All five of the analogue broadcasters have been guilty of recent years for some kind of fiasco, whether it be for phone vote rigging, lewd language, nudity, etc.
The BBC does some wonderful productions year in year out, true they also produce some dross but far less than ITV which I'm really hoping gets bought out soon or shut down because quite frankly that channel is now an embarrassment to it's past.
I think the licence fee is worth it quite frankly, especially considering what the majority of the competition offers & think it'll be a sad day when the "anti-licence fee brigade" get their own way eventually.
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
It would instantly take away the arrogance and hubris of the BBC management which is plainly out of touch with their viewers and which allows such basic broadcasting errors like the Ross/Brand fiasco to even reach the airwaves in the first place.
The BBC exists to provide public service broadcasting, not just the type of programmes that the market does not provide, but also the different perspective that comes from not having to answer to advertisers- OK, it doesn't provide that strong alternative often enough at present- but if you don't believe in public service broadcasting, why don't you argue for the scrapping of the BBC altogether, rather than just the scrapping of the licence fee ?
Please stop sending me Private Messages on this subject as I will not be opening any more.
If you have an opinion on the matter at least have the courage to join the other nodding dogs and post them in an open forum.
Many thanks.
Dear showbizguru,
I sent you a private message calling you an idiot. I'm not entirely sure that is to do with the subject of Jonathan Ross.
Regards.
By jove Jugalug - I big up your TV discussion forum called Jugalug which is advertised on every one one of your posts here and still no-one bothers to contribute to it.
Is it easy to register because I fancy being alone for a while.
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
But the last thing ITV needs right now is another major commercial competitor. It's already just about on its knees due to advertisers splitting their budgets between digital TV, radio and the internet. If another big player like the Beeb came along and took a sizeable chunk of the advertising market, it could well finish ITV off.
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
But the last thing ITV needs right now is another major commercial competitor. It's already just about on its knees due to advertisers splitting their budgets between digital TV, radio and the internet. If another big player like the Beeb came along and took a sizeable chunk of the advertising market, it could well finish ITV off.
I take your point - I just think it inherently bizarre that the BBC receives huge Government funding, operates a successful commercial arm and yet is allowed to compete for the same viewers as ITV who are forced to sell advertising to stay in the game.
Anyway who knows the BBC well knows that it is massively overstaffed - you've only got to attend an average news conference to see two or three different BBC crews there getting the same soundbites.
If you're going to have a publicly-funded national broadcaster then ringfence the worthy stuff with a reduced licence fee and make the BBC compete on a level playing field with ITV over its commercial/entertainment broadcasting.
I take your point - I just think it inherently bizarre that the BBC receives huge Government funding,
The World Service recieves government funding, the BBC we get here doesn't
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Anyway who knows the BBC well knows that it is massively overstaffed - you've only got to attend an average news conference to see two or three different BBC crews there getting the same soundbites.
That's mostly a myth, you might get more than one reporter but that's often for good reason. News programem budgets are being squeezed and squeezed, they certainly don't spend money un-necessarily. Most of the BBC especially the news is not massively overstaffed
If you read my post in the newsroom section you would see that yes indeed I would like to see the licence fee scrapped and make the BBC compete in the open market ( which it does now to the detriment of ITV ).
But the last thing ITV needs right now is another major commercial competitor. It's already just about on its knees due to advertisers splitting their budgets between digital TV, radio and the internet. If another big player like the Beeb came along and took a sizeable chunk of the advertising market, it could well finish ITV off.
But would anyone miss ITV, honestly? It's a far cry from years ago, the quality of the output is quite frankly shocking these days, the BBC has some problems but nowhere near as many as ITV, plus surely all of those job cuts including the closure of regional centres means they must have made some kind of saving?
I take your point - I just think it inherently bizarre that the BBC receives huge Government funding, operates a successful commercial arm and yet is allowed to compete for the same viewers as ITV who are forced to sell advertising to stay in the game.
Anyway who knows the BBC well knows that it is massively overstaffed - you've only got to attend an average news conference to see two or three different BBC crews there getting the same soundbites.
If you're going to have a publicly-funded national broadcaster then ringfence the worthy stuff with a reduced licence fee and make the BBC compete on a level playing field with ITV over its commercial/entertainment broadcasting.
But do we want it to end up like ITV?
This is the point isn't it, lets think of the other major broadcasters, Channel 4 tries it's best & can produce absolute steaming piles of turd but then can also produce some excellent programmes. The fact that Channel 4 relies so heavily on Big Brother to survive is surely a sign of th ebad situation they have now, and that's with advertising & sponsership of classic shows.
Five consists of CSI/Miami/SVU/New York, Law & Order and it's variations and lots of other programmes in a similar vein, which if your not a fan of is not a channel for you.
UKTV have to rely, most of the time, on old BBC programmes & Sky, well, you have to pay loads to get it anyway & even then half of the stuff ends up on terrestrial anyway.
Yes perhaps the Licence fee is a tad pricey but look at what you get, TV & Radio without any annoying ad breaks, sponsorship stings, etc. You can watch TV programmes or listen to Radio shows again up to seven days after broadcast (at present I don't know any other radio station that allows you to listen again to shows that were broadcast up to 6/7 days prior).
Also when the BBC go all out on a production they go all out on a production, for example: Life On Mars/Ashes To Ashes, Lark Rise To Candlewick (or whatever it's called, I don't watch it but know it has great production values), Doctor Who, etc. They do it well.
I used to be in the same camp as the "Anti Licence Fee Brigade" but to be honest after weighing it all up I think it'll be a sad day if the licence fee got scrapped & I think if it does eventually happen a lot of the "Anti Licence Fee Brigade" may realise what a mistake that was.