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Jonathan Ross returns...

(January 2009)

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JR
jrothwell97
Alexia posted:
I noticed Baille's mother has got in on the act by becoming a rentagob for the Mail this morning....pathetic.

The Mail doesn't represent reality, it represents some hyper-reality that its owners/editorship believes exists in this fictional world called Middle England. "Outraged of Trowbridge" doesn't exist except in the letters pages of the newspaper, or the phonelines to Points of View or Ofcom. The people who were "offended", "morally outraged" etc are just egotistical borderline psychotic cases with an inferiority complex the size of Taunton. Happily for them, the Mail is there to feed their fears, inflate their sense of importance and re-affirm their beliefs that they are the only true victims of society; and as a result inflict the knee-jerk reactions we have seen over the Sachs affair. Apologies were made, people moved on, but that wasn't good enough for the Mail. An end to a scandal? Involving the BBC? And people who occasionally use... shock horror... swearing and sexual references in their act? Nope...let's keep banging (excuse the pun) on about it until they get fired. And by using these tactics, it continues to be a strong player in the newspaper and media industries in general, because the people who read the Daily Mail need it to bring any sort of sense of purpose to their lives.


Hear, hear. The only reason this thing even became a scandal was because the Mail asked Andrew Sachs for comment. True, the phone calls should have been edited out of the programme, but one has to wonder how the Mail knew what was happening in Brand's programme: do they have some kind of "BBC Presenters Paid Over £100,000 Watch" department, repeatedly listening to tapes of broadcasts for something that may be mildly offensive to around two people?

Anyway, last night's show, it seemed, was a success. Ross's apology was sincere, and he seemed to have toned the swearing and innuendo down a bit (although, to be fair, Middle England gets in a tizzy if someone so much as mentions someone's shoulder.) Any news on overnight viewing figures?
BH
BillyH Founding member
5.1 million:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7848660.stm

Pretty good considering it clashed with Celebrity Big Brother and was on at 10:30 at night.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Well I caught up with the programme on the iPlayer. I'm by no means a regular viewer, but of course curiosity got the better of me.

The question of the show's popularity, post-scandal, was muddied by rubberneckers like me - and Ross delivering specifically to this extended audience. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle applied to a chatshow comeback.

I have to say that his choice of words in his opening monologue - and throughout, when he referenced his public standing over the past three months - was just right.

There needed to be a token act of contrition, but he threw in a slice of self-deprecation and self-awareness - and charm - which makes me consider the matter concluded. I noted too that the "standing ovation" was edited out of the programme - perhaps it would seem too self-congratulatory in the circumstances, so a well-considered decision there.

While its not a bad Friday night star vehicle, it won't make me watch the rest of the series. Ross isn't my mug of pish, really, and I don't think he gets the best from his guests - although Lee (never off) Evans and Tom Cruise didn't exactly make that job easy. I genuinely had to skip parts of the show watching them. Trusty Stephen Fry saved it for me.

I don't think Ross is worth quite what he earns (and by the way Glen, it is all his salary - the production company are paid in addition to his £6M a year); but I hear from enough friends who like him greatly, both on the radio and the tv - so I appreciate that he must provide a measurable value to many.

If a lesson is to be learned from all this, perhaps it could be as simple as: when you have the luxury of vetting pre-recorded material ahead of its broadcast - do it properly, so your talent and channel doesn't get left looking like fools.
MI
Michael
For obscene salaries for doing very little, one must look at the Mail's editor. He commands over £1.2m per annum for sitting in an office reading, and abusing staff; while his paper has approximately 2 million readers and falling. When compared to that, Wossy's £6m for a prime-time TV show entertaining 3-5million, and a further 3-hour radio show entertaining more, one could question how disproportionate it really is.
MB
MalcyB
The BBC are having to defend him again this morning after a joke was heard on yesterday morning's comeback Radio 2 show about having sex with a lady of 80.
PT
Put The Telly On
MalcyB posted:
The BBC are having to defend him again this morning after a joke was heard on yesterday morning's comeback Radio 2 show about having sex with a lady of 80.


...which was aimed at nobody in particular and totally harmless.

The Mail are reporting that calls are now being made for him to be sacked. Rolling Eyes
JA
jamesmd
nok32uk posted:
MalcyB posted:
The BBC are having to defend him again this morning after a joke was heard on yesterday morning's comeback Radio 2 show about having sex with a lady of 80.


...which was aimed at nobody in particular and totally harmless.

The Mail are reporting that calls are now being made for him to be sacked. Rolling Eyes


They always manage to get that knob from the government, Philip Davies, who is their rent-a-quote at the moment.

They seem oblivious to the fact that their steaming pile of p*ss is contributing to the break up of families and media hysteria.

But anything for a story, eh? Next week, drug habits rife at the Daily Mail... oh wait.
BR
Brekkie
No surprise - but the BBC only have themselves to blame for caving into the Mail in the first place and compeltely over reacting. If he'd just got the slap on the wrists and perhaps a week off for the issue to calm down it would be long forgotten by now.
JA
jamesmd
Brekkie posted:
No surprise - but the BBC only have themselves to blame for caving into the Mail in the first place and compeltely over reacting. If he'd just got the slap on the wrists and perhaps a week off for the issue to calm down it would be long forgotten by now.


No. The BBC is currently in a no-win situation. There still would have been the calls for him to resign, etc. They may have probably been far more vocal at the time.

Anyway, this is only a small section of the population. And writing on the comments pages of the Mail doesn't make their views acceptable or worth caring about.
GM
nodnirG kraM
As usual, Joan Rivers says it best - particularly the last 20 seconds or so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_7851000/7851083.stm
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
I thought the Panorama episode covered the subject well, certainly far better than ITV's Tonight episode last Friday.
JC
JonathanC
I felt an urge to slap the guy from the Telegraph. So, we shouldn't have things some people like, for instance swearing, because the Romans killed Christians. And he said that with a straight face.

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