NW
OMG I couldn't believe it, but it made it to Local News on both North West Tonight and Granada Reports! As there were about 8 people protesting outside the BBC's Studios on Oxford Road! They even had a discussion about it on Granada Reports between Tony Morris, some guy from The Salvation Army and some guy in London who was sticking up for it.
I personally don't see what the problem is, I really do with all of these do-gooders consider Licence Fee paying people who actually want to watch the programme tomorrow night. Though quite right someone mentioned on Granada Reports (the guy who was sticking up for the programme) that only 7% of the population actually attend Church and that they represent the view of the majority.
Really it is like we aren't pointing a gun at these people's heads and forcing them to watch BBC Two tomorrow night! There are channels on Sky that do far worse each and every night. I really wish they'd think about other people, the BBC contributes so much to religious programming, that everyone has to pay for, but I know that many people hate programmes little watched programmes such as Songs of Praise which some of these protestors may like, well we're all not going outside the BBC to protest for it's cancellation! The BBC is a Public Service Broadcaster and needs to cater for all tastes and I think the Jerry Springer Musical is a good idea as it's a West End show that has been very popular which has made the transistion to BBC Two.
The programme is on after the Watershed, they will advise the viewers that it will have alot of strong language, if the show is that bad the Opera would have ended ages ago! Have these Mary Whitehouse f*ckers only started protesting about it's Televising now? AFAIK they haven't been protesting about the JS Opera, and that has been running for about 2 years or so.
I personally don't see what the problem is, I really do with all of these do-gooders consider Licence Fee paying people who actually want to watch the programme tomorrow night. Though quite right someone mentioned on Granada Reports (the guy who was sticking up for the programme) that only 7% of the population actually attend Church and that they represent the view of the majority.
Really it is like we aren't pointing a gun at these people's heads and forcing them to watch BBC Two tomorrow night! There are channels on Sky that do far worse each and every night. I really wish they'd think about other people, the BBC contributes so much to religious programming, that everyone has to pay for, but I know that many people hate programmes little watched programmes such as Songs of Praise which some of these protestors may like, well we're all not going outside the BBC to protest for it's cancellation! The BBC is a Public Service Broadcaster and needs to cater for all tastes and I think the Jerry Springer Musical is a good idea as it's a West End show that has been very popular which has made the transistion to BBC Two.
The programme is on after the Watershed, they will advise the viewers that it will have alot of strong language, if the show is that bad the Opera would have ended ages ago! Have these Mary Whitehouse f*ckers only started protesting about it's Televising now? AFAIK they haven't been protesting about the JS Opera, and that has been running for about 2 years or so.
PC
The irony is that these protesters, many of which are comprised of Christian groups, are all complaining about a programme with a lot of swearing, but seem to have missed Derren Brown's show tonight, which questioned beliefs themselves. Unless they didn't want people to have a look at something which might make them re-evaluate their beliefs of course.
We can't let this country become the same as America, where the protests of a religious group are enough to see something cancelled in a moment. This has already happened with a play involving another religion.
Of course, unless the BBC's bottle crashes, then it'll be a massive success - the viewing figures will be through the roof because of all the controversy.
We can't let this country become the same as America, where the protests of a religious group are enough to see something cancelled in a moment. This has already happened with a play involving another religion.
Of course, unless the BBC's bottle crashes, then it'll be a massive success - the viewing figures will be through the roof because of all the controversy.
IS
A very good point, I wonder if Channel 4 are kicking themselves that the derren Brown programme tonight has passe by without much fuss even though it seems to be far more anti-religion than JSTO is.
Just think of the publicity that JSTO has got in the last few days and how much of that could have been directed directly at tonight on Channel 4. Mediawatch, the churches and The Sun have actually encouraged more people to watch JSTO..... I certainly would have forgoten it was on if they hadn'tmade such a fuss. As for the 'legal action' they've absolutely no chance of making that stand up in court
p_c_u_k posted:
The irony is that these protesters, many of which are comprised of Christian groups, are all complaining about a programme with a lot of swearing, but seem to have missed Derren Brown's show tonight, which questioned beliefs themselves. Unless they didn't want people to have a look at something which might make them re-evaluate their beliefs of course.
A very good point, I wonder if Channel 4 are kicking themselves that the derren Brown programme tonight has passe by without much fuss even though it seems to be far more anti-religion than JSTO is.
Just think of the publicity that JSTO has got in the last few days and how much of that could have been directed directly at tonight on Channel 4. Mediawatch, the churches and The Sun have actually encouraged more people to watch JSTO..... I certainly would have forgoten it was on if they hadn'tmade such a fuss. As for the 'legal action' they've absolutely no chance of making that stand up in court
TV
Where were these people when BBC2 didn't have a Christmas ident (and BBC1 last year)?
nwtv2003 posted:
OMG I couldn't believe it, but it made it to Local News on both North West Tonight and Granada Reports! As there were about 8 people protesting outside the BBC's Studios on Oxford Road!
Where were these people when BBC2 didn't have a Christmas ident (and BBC1 last year)?
IS
Yes that's exactly what it is.
Spencer For Hire posted:
One quick question... Where did Mediawatch come from? Are they a re-branded National Viewers and Listeners Association as we don't seem to have heard from them since Mary Whitehouse croaked?
Yes that's exactly what it is.
BR
A very good point, I wonder if Channel 4 are kicking themselves that the derren Brown programme tonight has passe by without much fuss even though it seems to be far more anti-religion than JSTO is.
Just think of the publicity that JSTO has got in the last few days and how much of that could have been directed directly at tonight on Channel 4. Mediawatch, the churches and The Sun have actually encouraged more people to watch JSTO..... I certainly would have forgoten it was on if they hadn'tmade such a fuss. As for the 'legal action' they've absolutely no chance of making that stand up in court
Well, I always say that complaints before the event should be ignored, along with complaints on the back of campaigns. And with the huge press about it, no one can watch it and complain about the language.
I'm thankful it's on the BBC. Although the ad breaks don't annoy me, recently on C4 programmes with strong content have had warnings at virtually every ad break.
As for Derren Brown, in his interviews for the series he expressed his concerns that hundreds more people complained about him faking a seance than when he played Russian Roulette. As for Messiah, a very good programme which let us laugh at stupid Americans. Not what I was expecting - I though Derren Brown would try and pass himself off as the Second Coming, but good none the less.
Inspector Sands posted:
p_c_u_k posted:
The irony is that these protesters, many of which are comprised of Christian groups, are all complaining about a programme with a lot of swearing, but seem to have missed Derren Brown's show tonight, which questioned beliefs themselves. Unless they didn't want people to have a look at something which might make them re-evaluate their beliefs of course.
A very good point, I wonder if Channel 4 are kicking themselves that the derren Brown programme tonight has passe by without much fuss even though it seems to be far more anti-religion than JSTO is.
Just think of the publicity that JSTO has got in the last few days and how much of that could have been directed directly at tonight on Channel 4. Mediawatch, the churches and The Sun have actually encouraged more people to watch JSTO..... I certainly would have forgoten it was on if they hadn'tmade such a fuss. As for the 'legal action' they've absolutely no chance of making that stand up in court
Well, I always say that complaints before the event should be ignored, along with complaints on the back of campaigns. And with the huge press about it, no one can watch it and complain about the language.
I'm thankful it's on the BBC. Although the ad breaks don't annoy me, recently on C4 programmes with strong content have had warnings at virtually every ad break.
As for Derren Brown, in his interviews for the series he expressed his concerns that hundreds more people complained about him faking a seance than when he played Russian Roulette. As for Messiah, a very good programme which let us laugh at stupid Americans. Not what I was expecting - I though Derren Brown would try and pass himself off as the Second Coming, but good none the less.
DU
Yes, I was expecting him to do this too. I was surprised he had a go at 5 different groups rather than going for one big 'sting' on say the church.
I understand the moral and ethical implications, but I would have loved him to follow through with some of those offers to appear on the radio, or to speak to the large conventions- it would have been interesting to see how far he could go and how many people he could influence.
Brekkie Boy posted:
As for Messiah, a very good programme which let us laugh at stupid Americans. Not what I was expecting - I though Derren Brown would try and pass himself off as the Second Coming, but good none the less.
Yes, I was expecting him to do this too. I was surprised he had a go at 5 different groups rather than going for one big 'sting' on say the church.
I understand the moral and ethical implications, but I would have loved him to follow through with some of those offers to appear on the radio, or to speak to the large conventions- it would have been interesting to see how far he could go and how many people he could influence.
KA
Katherine
Founding member
Just sent an E-mail to the Christian Alliance Party, an extract of which is below:
Quote:
"But public broadcasting has a specific duty clearly defined by statute and the Controller of BBC 2 is breaching the BBC's own guidelines for decency and good taste."
I totally disagree with this - the BBC SHOULD show the musical! It is in part, the BBC's duty to cater for the viewing needs of ALL their licence-payers. There has been sufficient interest from the licence-paying public to see this musical broadcast on television; partly thanks to your objections giving the show more publicity than it could ever have dreamed of before!
Might I remind you that it is not a mandatory obligation for all licence-payers to see this musical and that there are many other channels (if you have digital satellite) to watch (one of which is uninterrupted Bible readings)? You may think it has breached guidelines on decency and good taste, but remember; didn't God give us free will? If so, why is it so hard for you to respect the god-given free will of the BBC to provide their viewers with shows and content that they're interested in seeing? They're being sensitive enough to put it well after the watershed after all.
With attitudes like the ones being displayed, I am left in no doubt why church attendance has decreased so much in the last couple of decades! I am sure that the Lord you and I look up to will forgive the 'sinners' at the BBC (especially the Controller of BBC2) without much difficulty or delay. Finally, wasn't it Jesus that WELCOMED sinners and preached forgiveness after all? Will you make yourselves an example of this selfless forgiving spirit, buy yourselves another licence and pardon the BBC for broadcasting this musical?
I totally disagree with this - the BBC SHOULD show the musical! It is in part, the BBC's duty to cater for the viewing needs of ALL their licence-payers. There has been sufficient interest from the licence-paying public to see this musical broadcast on television; partly thanks to your objections giving the show more publicity than it could ever have dreamed of before!
Might I remind you that it is not a mandatory obligation for all licence-payers to see this musical and that there are many other channels (if you have digital satellite) to watch (one of which is uninterrupted Bible readings)? You may think it has breached guidelines on decency and good taste, but remember; didn't God give us free will? If so, why is it so hard for you to respect the god-given free will of the BBC to provide their viewers with shows and content that they're interested in seeing? They're being sensitive enough to put it well after the watershed after all.
With attitudes like the ones being displayed, I am left in no doubt why church attendance has decreased so much in the last couple of decades! I am sure that the Lord you and I look up to will forgive the 'sinners' at the BBC (especially the Controller of BBC2) without much difficulty or delay. Finally, wasn't it Jesus that WELCOMED sinners and preached forgiveness after all? Will you make yourselves an example of this selfless forgiving spirit, buy yourselves another licence and pardon the BBC for broadcasting this musical?
BR
Not sure if it's been pointed out here but the DG of the BBC is a practicing Catholic - and he loves the show.
This is actually the BBC at it's best - providing a modern stage play many wouldn't get to see otherwise.
Is it being broadcast live (asking for trouble!) or has it been recorded as previews are confusing - most say things like "recorded live", which is really a contraction in terms.
As for all the fuss - I'll be watching tonight, I wouldn't have been otherwise. I don't watch much BBC so haven't seen it promoted and didn't notice it in the TV guides.
If it hadn't been for the press MediaWatch and the likes have generated with their out of touch views, I wouldn't have started this thread - and I didn't do so until a couple of days after the story broke. No other member mentioned it and although this forum is often news / presentation biased, it is an excellent cross-section of members - and I've not seen one complaint about the broadcast!
My final comment before tonight's screening - equal rights for all words. A word is just a word after all!
P.S. Great comment on the DS forums about those holding vigil outside television centre - the BBC should put up one of their big screens so they don't miss it!
Katherine posted:
Just sent an E-mail to the Christian Alliance Party, an extract of which is below:
Not sure if it's been pointed out here but the DG of the BBC is a practicing Catholic - and he loves the show.
This is actually the BBC at it's best - providing a modern stage play many wouldn't get to see otherwise.
Is it being broadcast live (asking for trouble!) or has it been recorded as previews are confusing - most say things like "recorded live", which is really a contraction in terms.
As for all the fuss - I'll be watching tonight, I wouldn't have been otherwise. I don't watch much BBC so haven't seen it promoted and didn't notice it in the TV guides.
If it hadn't been for the press MediaWatch and the likes have generated with their out of touch views, I wouldn't have started this thread - and I didn't do so until a couple of days after the story broke. No other member mentioned it and although this forum is often news / presentation biased, it is an excellent cross-section of members - and I've not seen one complaint about the broadcast!
My final comment before tonight's screening - equal rights for all words. A word is just a word after all!
P.S. Great comment on the DS forums about those holding vigil outside television centre - the BBC should put up one of their big screens so they don't miss it!
GB
Why does it only seem to be Christians who are up-in-arms about it?
There seems to be little or no reaction from other religious groups.
There seems to be little or no reaction from other religious groups.