JO
Makes me wonder if they will pull production of Judge Rinder at some point as well
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Yesterday's Judge Rinder wasn't the advertised episode. It was ssupposed to feature former X Factor contestant Samantha Atkinson.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/judge-rinder-x-factor-star-2874986
Sounds like they feared another backlash after all the Kyle furore.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/judge-rinder-x-factor-star-2874986
Quote:
On Wednesday, Samantha took to social media to air her concerns ITV would still be showing the programme, despite claims she asked them not to.
On her Facebook, the singer wrote: “ITV should be ashamed of themselves. I asked them not to show my episode on Judge Rinder due to a relationship breakdown and they totally ignored it.
“This was filmed a year ago and may I add they never paid me for the loss of earnings and stalked me to go on.
"I said ‘no’ loads but they stalked and stalked until I said yes.”
On her Facebook, the singer wrote: “ITV should be ashamed of themselves. I asked them not to show my episode on Judge Rinder due to a relationship breakdown and they totally ignored it.
“This was filmed a year ago and may I add they never paid me for the loss of earnings and stalked me to go on.
"I said ‘no’ loads but they stalked and stalked until I said yes.”
Sounds like they feared another backlash after all the Kyle furore.
Makes me wonder if they will pull production of Judge Rinder at some point as well
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
BM
BM11
Yesterday's Judge Rinder wasn't the advertised episode. It was ssupposed to feature former X Factor contestant Samantha Atkinson.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/judge-rinder-x-factor-star-2874986
Sounds like they feared another backlash after all the Kyle furore.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/judge-rinder-x-factor-star-2874986
Sounds like they feared another backlash after all the Kyle furore.
Makes me wonder if they will pull production of Judge Rinder at some point as well
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Issues relating to pressuring people to be on the show?
NL
Looking at the problem objectively I see it like this.
GMB between 6.00 and 8.30 has a considerable amount of confrontation in it specifically whenever P***S M****n opens his mouth
Lorraine between 8.30 and 9.25 is more emollient.
This Morning and Loose Women also have their confrontational elements.
Now I'm not saying that confrontation should be wiped off ITV especially when it comes to politics but there should be more of a balance. Something substantially calmer should be created as a "cordon sanitare" between glowering and grinning.
GMB between 6.00 and 8.30 has a considerable amount of confrontation in it specifically whenever P***S M****n opens his mouth
Lorraine between 8.30 and 9.25 is more emollient.
This Morning and Loose Women also have their confrontational elements.
Now I'm not saying that confrontation should be wiped off ITV especially when it comes to politics but there should be more of a balance. Something substantially calmer should be created as a "cordon sanitare" between glowering and grinning.
JO
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Issues relating to pressuring people to be on the show?
It’s such a non story that it’ll forgotten about within days
Makes me wonder if they will pull production of Judge Rinder at some point as well
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Issues relating to pressuring people to be on the show?
It’s such a non story that it’ll forgotten about within days
NJ
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Issues relating to pressuring people to be on the show?
Judge Rinder works on an emotional level, granted, but primarily you go there because somebody owes you money and you want it back, seems to be the common reason for TV courts. You don't go there because you think your brother's nephew's sister's Uncle Quentin is unfaithful and want lie detectors and DNA tests to prove that.
Presumably Rinder works in the same way as Judge Judy does, in which you get an appearance fee and agree to abide by the courts decision without an option to go back to a "proper" court at some point in the future unless its dismissed to allow that. Presumably there's the "sign your life away" clause that gives ITV carte blanche to air the thing day in, day out all over the world without consulting you first, the fact your relationship dies in the meantime is not their fault.
Neil Jones
Founding member
Makes me wonder if they will pull production of Judge Rinder at some point as well
Why would they pull Judge Rinder?
Issues relating to pressuring people to be on the show?
Judge Rinder works on an emotional level, granted, but primarily you go there because somebody owes you money and you want it back, seems to be the common reason for TV courts. You don't go there because you think your brother's nephew's sister's Uncle Quentin is unfaithful and want lie detectors and DNA tests to prove that.
Presumably Rinder works in the same way as Judge Judy does, in which you get an appearance fee and agree to abide by the courts decision without an option to go back to a "proper" court at some point in the future unless its dismissed to allow that. Presumably there's the "sign your life away" clause that gives ITV carte blanche to air the thing day in, day out all over the world without consulting you first, the fact your relationship dies in the meantime is not their fault.
SW
They're different shows, though - I can easily see why something like Jeremy Kyle could churn out more episodes than Homes Under The Hammer because Kyle was filmed as-live and doesn't leave the studio so you can make half a dozen in a day. Same with all the other shows, they pretty much run themselves.
It's the same as Pointless and The Chase - it's obvious they can make more episodes of The Chase a year because it has fewer contestants, only one presenter (so they don't need to work around two hosts' schedules), no studio audience and the questions are straight general knowledge.
As mentioned, Paul O'Grady did well in that slot until they carelessly contrived to lose it, but you're right to say it was a bit of a wasteland for many years. But then Kyle itself was an example of them managing to find a replacement pretty sharpish, because when Trisha went they tried out a couple of things at 9.25, like Jerry Springer UK and People's Court, but Kyle arrived within about three months and immediately took off. But that slot could easily have proven just as difficult to fill as 5pm.
Well, that is the problem you face every time a programme is immediately dropped, for reasons beyond the schedulers' control. No doubt Five Live are having the same problems on Saturday mornings now Danny Baker has had to go away, they're having to improvise a new schedule on the hoof and there'll be obvious audience churn while that happens, the same as when the Beeb suspended Jonathan Ross and they had to chuck on some repeats and then rush out some other series to fill the gap. It's obviously going to be a bit frantic but that's how schedulers earn their money.
I really don't understand why so many people are suggesting that ITV have so few options they're going to have to show a programme twice in one day. Obviously they're going to have to commission some more shows now one's been axed, not least because they now have the money they won't be spending on Kyle to play with. ITV are constantly piloting and trying out new shows, showing the same programme twice in one day is something a tinpot digital channel does, not ITV1. If ITV seriously can't find something to fill an hour a day, they must be in pretty poor shape. I don't know why people are suggesting this.
When Kilroy went away, of course they hurriedly commissioned a new show called Now You're Talking which was pretty much the same show without Kilroy to run down the contract and make use of the existing production team and facilities. Obviously ITV now have the Kyle production team who ITV have said they'll be redeploying on other shows. It wouldn't surprise me if in the short term we get a new show - a much nicer, more positive one - made by most of the old Kyle team and using its studio and budget. If nothing else it would be a quick way to fill the slot.
One thing ITV should get credit for it how they've invested in new episodes across the year of their flagship shows, though maybe that's what pushed Jeremy Kyle to extremes as repeats in the 9.25am slot were dropped a few years ago in favour of year round new episodes. By comparison Homes Under the Hammer airs just 80 new episodes a year despite not taking a break from the 10am slot.
They're different shows, though - I can easily see why something like Jeremy Kyle could churn out more episodes than Homes Under The Hammer because Kyle was filmed as-live and doesn't leave the studio so you can make half a dozen in a day. Same with all the other shows, they pretty much run themselves.
It's the same as Pointless and The Chase - it's obvious they can make more episodes of The Chase a year because it has fewer contestants, only one presenter (so they don't need to work around two hosts' schedules), no studio audience and the questions are straight general knowledge.
Indeed, it could take years, in the same way it took years for them to find the right show for the 5pm slot.
Following the end of Home and Away in 2000, it took almost a decade (until 2009) for them to find a show that would last, The Chase, which has now been on air for a decade, although some would say that Crossroads might still be going today if they hadn't messed around with it in 2003.
Following the end of Home and Away in 2000, it took almost a decade (until 2009) for them to find a show that would last, The Chase, which has now been on air for a decade, although some would say that Crossroads might still be going today if they hadn't messed around with it in 2003.
As mentioned, Paul O'Grady did well in that slot until they carelessly contrived to lose it, but you're right to say it was a bit of a wasteland for many years. But then Kyle itself was an example of them managing to find a replacement pretty sharpish, because when Trisha went they tried out a couple of things at 9.25, like Jerry Springer UK and People's Court, but Kyle arrived within about three months and immediately took off. But that slot could easily have proven just as difficult to fill as 5pm.
Despite the apparent complications with the 9:25 slot and logistics with the studios, I do think GMB/Lorraine would best retain the audience. However, that wouldn’t be without its problems. Until a new show can find its feet, there’s not really any solution without some disadvantages, which will be making things pretty difficult for ITV.
Well, that is the problem you face every time a programme is immediately dropped, for reasons beyond the schedulers' control. No doubt Five Live are having the same problems on Saturday mornings now Danny Baker has had to go away, they're having to improvise a new schedule on the hoof and there'll be obvious audience churn while that happens, the same as when the Beeb suspended Jonathan Ross and they had to chuck on some repeats and then rush out some other series to fill the gap. It's obviously going to be a bit frantic but that's how schedulers earn their money.
The Chase repeats is surely the best way to guarantee a healthy audience, and I think there is enough of a gap between the 5pm airing and 9.25am slot to get away with it (indeed probably any afternoon show). If they moved an afternoon show I think Tenable would actually have a decent chance in the morning slot. Actually how does Tenables ratings compare to Real Deal in it's usual 3pm slot?
They would probably have to find something else to show at 2pm, or move the 2pm Judge Rinder to 3pm and move Real Deal to 2pm, otherwise the 2 showings would be a bit too close together in the schedule
Longer term they would probably have to find another show, for either the morning or afternoon slot, to avoid the 2 showings in one day.
Longer term they would probably have to find another show, for either the morning or afternoon slot, to avoid the 2 showings in one day.
I really don't understand why so many people are suggesting that ITV have so few options they're going to have to show a programme twice in one day. Obviously they're going to have to commission some more shows now one's been axed, not least because they now have the money they won't be spending on Kyle to play with. ITV are constantly piloting and trying out new shows, showing the same programme twice in one day is something a tinpot digital channel does, not ITV1. If ITV seriously can't find something to fill an hour a day, they must be in pretty poor shape. I don't know why people are suggesting this.
When Kilroy went away, of course they hurriedly commissioned a new show called Now You're Talking which was pretty much the same show without Kilroy to run down the contract and make use of the existing production team and facilities. Obviously ITV now have the Kyle production team who ITV have said they'll be redeploying on other shows. It wouldn't surprise me if in the short term we get a new show - a much nicer, more positive one - made by most of the old Kyle team and using its studio and budget. If nothing else it would be a quick way to fill the slot.
BE
Looks like repeats of Judge Rinder is on at 5.05 am now (Instead of Nightscreen till 6.00).
https://tvhome.co.uk/itv/2019/05/17/0505
https://tvhome.co.uk/itv/2019/05/17/0505
JK
ITN provides the news gathering resources under the name ITV News for Good Morning Britain, they are not however involved in any way with the production of the programme from Television Centre. GMB just have access to their news sources and use them. In the same way ITN provide news resources to Channel 4 News etc.
DA
ITN does produce Channel 4 News, though.
In the same way ITN provide news resources to Channel 4 News etc.
ITN does produce Channel 4 News, though.
WH
There is no appearance fee for Judge Rinder, but ITV pays any award that is granted.
Whataday
Founding member
Presumably Rinder works in the same way as Judge Judy does, in which you get an appearance fee and agree to abide by the courts decision without an option to go back to a "proper" court at some point in the future unless its dismissed to allow that. Presumably there's the "sign your life away" clause that gives ITV carte blanche to air the thing day in, day out all over the world without consulting you first, the fact your relationship dies in the meantime is not their fault.
There is no appearance fee for Judge Rinder, but ITV pays any award that is granted.