AN
Rubbish! Dave was practically created to show repeats of it, which they do, all the time. It's just 3 blokes dicking around.
As I've stated before, a significant element to Top Gear's popularity is the buzz around the live transmission. I really can't see it working as a VOD programme on a narrow platform. ITV on the other hand is a completely different proposition, sandwich it before X Factor, BGT or IACGMOOH results and it would seem to be a winner, depending when the BBC schedule the New Top Gear.
Rubbish! Dave was practically created to show repeats of it, which they do, all the time. It's just 3 blokes dicking around.
NW
Basically that has summed up the last two DVD releases of 'The Perfect Road Trip', which are Clarkson/Hammond only, whilst not as good as the main shows, they are worth watching and it appears they both enjoy it. I'd be in favour of this type of show being made.
ITV would be the easiest place for them to go in the UK, but the problem is they may have some freedoms, but they're always going to be under pressure from advertisers, but it would certainly get the ratings.
I think it'll be Netflix, granted they'll lose a lot of the ratings, but it could be a risk worth taking, they'll have far more creative freedom, a good budget, not bound to commercial pressure, and they've got the worldwide audience sorted with no problems at all.
It's a shame UKTV can't afford them on their own, because Dave would be a perfect fit, however I think if it went VoD only (more so Amazon than Netflix) then I could see Dave picking up broadcast rights, but who knows.
You don't even necessarily need the car element. I did see a suggestion that Clarkson and co could front a rebooted Wish you were Here type show based around the kind of road trips they did on Top Gear where the cars were very much in the periphery to the pratting around. I thought that was a pretty good shout.
Basically that has summed up the last two DVD releases of 'The Perfect Road Trip', which are Clarkson/Hammond only, whilst not as good as the main shows, they are worth watching and it appears they both enjoy it. I'd be in favour of this type of show being made.
ITV would be the easiest place for them to go in the UK, but the problem is they may have some freedoms, but they're always going to be under pressure from advertisers, but it would certainly get the ratings.
I think it'll be Netflix, granted they'll lose a lot of the ratings, but it could be a risk worth taking, they'll have far more creative freedom, a good budget, not bound to commercial pressure, and they've got the worldwide audience sorted with no problems at all.
It's a shame UKTV can't afford them on their own, because Dave would be a perfect fit, however I think if it went VoD only (more so Amazon than Netflix) then I could see Dave picking up broadcast rights, but who knows.
BK
ITV have a lot of ground to gain on new viewers if they do attempt to poach Clarkson, Hammond and May's new show as they are trying to get more male viewers onto the channel. They recently lost out on UK rights to live games of the Champions League and Europa League to BT Sport and all of the FTA FA Cup games to the BBC.
A good thing to note about ITV is that they have the actual broadcast facilities already in place to broadcast their new show if it sticks to within a studio setting. But where there does leave Netflix or Amazon if they are trying to acquire a new broadcast studio facility for the new show if they do need one.
There is a limit on Amazon's part as Amazon Prime instant video service is only available in five countries worldwide US, UK, Japan, Germany and Austria. So where does that leave the distributions rights for Amazon's VOD platform to become more widespread? If either Netflix or Amazon make a co-production agreement with ITV for first run rights then that would be brilliant for ITV as they would be the 1st commercial linear broadcaster in the U.K. to boost their acquisitions for their male viewership as a lot of ITV's programmes is skewed to a female audience apart from ITV4.
A good thing to note about ITV is that they have the actual broadcast facilities already in place to broadcast their new show if it sticks to within a studio setting. But where there does leave Netflix or Amazon if they are trying to acquire a new broadcast studio facility for the new show if they do need one.
There is a limit on Amazon's part as Amazon Prime instant video service is only available in five countries worldwide US, UK, Japan, Germany and Austria. So where does that leave the distributions rights for Amazon's VOD platform to become more widespread? If either Netflix or Amazon make a co-production agreement with ITV for first run rights then that would be brilliant for ITV as they would be the 1st commercial linear broadcaster in the U.K. to boost their acquisitions for their male viewership as a lot of ITV's programmes is skewed to a female audience apart from ITV4.
IN
Rubbish! Dave was practically created to show repeats of it, which they do, all the time. It's just 3 blokes dicking around.
Agreed. And as for social media buzz - see the Breaking Bad finale.
As I've stated before, a significant element to Top Gear's popularity is the buzz around the live transmission. I really can't see it working as a VOD programme on a narrow platform. ITV on the other hand is a completely different proposition, sandwich it before X Factor, BGT or IACGMOOH results and it would seem to be a winner, depending when the BBC schedule the New Top Gear.
Rubbish! Dave was practically created to show repeats of it, which they do, all the time. It's just 3 blokes dicking around.
Agreed. And as for social media buzz - see the Breaking Bad finale.
AM
ITV would be a good prospect because they do have an excellent overseas sales reputation and lets not forget that ITV now part own SBS channels in The Netherlands (thanks to buying Talpa) and Top Gear is shown on their Veronica channel and as such most viewers wouldn't really notice any difference when this new series starts - except for the name but a good advertising campaign would help with that!
NG
Do ITV have an excellent overseas sales reputation? I'm not sure I can instantly think of an in-house ITV Studios production that has sold well internationally? (Excluding indies that they've bought like So Television etc.) Sure - shows like Downton do well, but they are ITV commissions and not made or sold by ITV internationally AIUI. I guess you could say that ITV commission shows that sell well internationally - but I'm not sure that's the same thing. (Quite a lot of the ITV-commissioend shows that do well are also co-productions aren't they?)
It will be interesting to see how different any Clarkson/Hammond/May/Wilman car show is from Top Gear. Be interesting to see if the celebrity chat format and whether a 'star in a reasonably priced car'-alike (tweaked enough to avoid format infringement accusations?) remain, or whether it becomes more like the specials?
noggin
Founding member
ITV would be a good prospect because they do have an excellent overseas sales reputation and lets not forget that ITV now part own SBS channels in The Netherlands (thanks to buying Talpa) and Top Gear is shown on their Veronica channel and as such most viewers wouldn't really notice any difference when this new series starts - except for the name but a good advertising campaign would help with that!
Do ITV have an excellent overseas sales reputation? I'm not sure I can instantly think of an in-house ITV Studios production that has sold well internationally? (Excluding indies that they've bought like So Television etc.) Sure - shows like Downton do well, but they are ITV commissions and not made or sold by ITV internationally AIUI. I guess you could say that ITV commission shows that sell well internationally - but I'm not sure that's the same thing. (Quite a lot of the ITV-commissioend shows that do well are also co-productions aren't they?)
It will be interesting to see how different any Clarkson/Hammond/May/Wilman car show is from Top Gear. Be interesting to see if the celebrity chat format and whether a 'star in a reasonably priced car'-alike (tweaked enough to avoid format infringement accusations?) remain, or whether it becomes more like the specials?
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A former member
What about ALL the show ITV studio produces worldwide? like in USA or Asia?
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A former member
What about ALL the show ITV studio produces worldwide? like in USA or Asia?
That's different - that's producing content specifically for local markets, not making UK content that sells well internationally which was the context of the original post I quoted.
If there can make stuff locally then surely itv will have ideas about to make it appealing to non uk markets?
NG
That's different - that's producing content specifically for local markets, not making UK content that sells well internationally which was the context of the original post I quoted.
If there can make stuff locally then surely itv will have ideas about to make it appealing to non uk markets?
I think you are missing the point. When you make local stuff in local markets you are often using local producers and are effectively a local indie. (An Aussie friend of mine works for ITV Studios in Aus, making shows for Aus). That's not the same as making a UK show that sells well in Aus. It's kind of like format sales, but instead of selling the format to others to make internationally, you do it yourself. (A bit like BBC WW in America making DWTS for ABC)
The original poster suggested that ITV (which I think we were meant to take as ITV in the UK) have an excellent sales reputation - which suggested to me that UK ITV Studios in-house (rather than ITV commissions or ITV Studios-owned indies like So Television) productions made for the UK had reputation for selling well internationally, which I didn't take to be the case.
I didn't say ITV Studios couldn't make a show that would sell well internationally (and who knows - it may be that if ITV commissioned a Top Gear type show they may do so through an indie run by the Top Gear 4 anyway) - I was just questioning the 'stated as fact' that ITV have an excellent overseas sales reputation.
noggin
Founding member
What about ALL the show ITV studio produces worldwide? like in USA or Asia?
That's different - that's producing content specifically for local markets, not making UK content that sells well internationally which was the context of the original post I quoted.
If there can make stuff locally then surely itv will have ideas about to make it appealing to non uk markets?
I think you are missing the point. When you make local stuff in local markets you are often using local producers and are effectively a local indie. (An Aussie friend of mine works for ITV Studios in Aus, making shows for Aus). That's not the same as making a UK show that sells well in Aus. It's kind of like format sales, but instead of selling the format to others to make internationally, you do it yourself. (A bit like BBC WW in America making DWTS for ABC)
The original poster suggested that ITV (which I think we were meant to take as ITV in the UK) have an excellent sales reputation - which suggested to me that UK ITV Studios in-house (rather than ITV commissions or ITV Studios-owned indies like So Television) productions made for the UK had reputation for selling well internationally, which I didn't take to be the case.
I didn't say ITV Studios couldn't make a show that would sell well internationally (and who knows - it may be that if ITV commissioned a Top Gear type show they may do so through an indie run by the Top Gear 4 anyway) - I was just questioning the 'stated as fact' that ITV have an excellent overseas sales reputation.