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January 1st, 2008: ITV Franchise Time Again!

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Neil Jones Founding member
tvarksouthwest posted:
The 1990 Broadcasting Act, as anyone with common sense should know, existed solely to punish ITV for one programme that got too near the knuckle for Thatcher's liking (Death On The Rock); ultimately it was the viewers that were punished.


As I've previously written in this thread, this has never been proved. The 1990 Broadcasting Act was not solely to rip the heart out of ITV, it did a lot of other things as well, such as allowing the three national radio stations to launch (Virgin, Classic and Talk) on frequencies previously used for other means (and Radio 1). Also the ITC was introduced at this time and had its powers extended to cover satellite and cable broadcasts, though this was strengthened again in the 1996 act. A lot of good did come out of the 1990 Act in some ways, but bad in others.
MI
Mich Founding member
Johnny83 posted:
Yes and the way the railways was done in a much worse way as well


Well, some people think that, others look at some statistics which show that the level of service has generally improved. The biggest issue holding back the railways was decades of under investment thanks to "Government Failure".

johnofhertford posted:
They can do pretty much as they like, no need for public accountability (because the public doesn't own them) as long as they act within the law. A public company (e.g. ITV) has various obligations about the information it discloses.


As a Private Limited Company they have fewer obligations, but still some; for example they must submit their annual accounts to Companies House.

tvarksouthwest posted:

The emasculation of the broadcasting unions has undoubtedly helped ITV plc on the road to becoming a single company. A stronger union influence is unlikely to have prevented the amalgamation of ITV, but it sure could have made it a hell of a lot more difficult especially where redundancies were concerned. OK, so the unions had too much power in the 70s and 80s but now they are merely a token presence with broadcasters under no obligation to recognise them. The RMT maintains a strong presence in the rail industry, so why can't BECTU in television?


Strong unions? Yipee, artificially higher wages at the expense of jobs - just got to love those unions... or maybe not.
IS
Inspector Sands
johnofhertford posted:
Of course it makes them public companies (they're owned by members of the public).


Not totally owned by members of the public, the vast majority of the shares in a PLC are held by other companies
AM
amosc100
Mich posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Yes and the way the railways was done in a much worse way as well


Well, some people think that, others look at some statistics which show that the level of service has generally improved. The biggest issue holding back the railways was decades of under investment thanks to "Government Failure".


Where does approx 80% of the funding come from now.... the government so nothing has changed apart from making money in giving licenses to companies to operate certain services. Remember a railway company has to go to the DfT before they can even consider buying new trains, starting new routes, changing timetables etc.... and 9 times out of 10 if it doesn't include London the a refusal is often given.

Think First Group and then think about the old British Rail - which would YOU rather have. I would rather have BR as First Group cut services, shrink trains and have astronomical prices (although the prices are not as bad as Virgin - and most of the ticket prices are just pure profit for the companies!!!)
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A former member
First do that to the bus service aswell!! look at First Edinburgh there just liek ITV there keep using Crap
MA
marbles333
According to TTTV, they renewed their broadcasting contract for 10 years in 1999... so doesn't that make it 2009?
I should imagine they'd just do the same when the time comes.
AM
amosc100
623058 posted:
First do that to the bus service aswell!! look at First Edinburgh there just liek ITV there keep using Crap


and the same with First Manchester (especially Bolton where they have withdrawn 78% of the routes they used to run and not replaced!!!), First Leeds, First PMT and the list goes on....


sorry for going off topic.


I wonder if ITV have shares in First, or the other way round then that might explain as to why ITV is carp!!!!
AN
Andrew Founding member
What it does prove is that the business ideas that ITV have are not unique to them and actually happen across many industries

For example getting rid of the regional names. First have done that and so have some untilities, obviously no one complains about the latter
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tvarksouthwest
Neil Jones posted:
tvarksouthwest posted:
The 1990 Broadcasting Act, as anyone with common sense should know, existed solely to punish ITV for one programme that got too near the knuckle for Thatcher's liking (Death On The Rock); ultimately it was the viewers that were punished.


As I've previously written in this thread, this has never been proved.

But can we prove otherwise? Thatcher's dislike of "restrictive practices" in ITV during her tenure are well documented, but it seems strange that the PM should experience such seismic shift in her opinion of British television within the space of a year.

Governments will always try control broadcasters' impartiality, and readily slap them down if they don't toe the line. The Conservative administration was perhaps the most vindictive in this respect. Although Labour were just as bad, with the sham that was Hutton.
RM
Roger Mellie
Mich posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Yes and the way the railways was done in a much worse way as well


Well, some people think that, others look at some statistics which show that the level of service has generally improved. The biggest issue holding back the railways was decades of under investment thanks to "Government Failure".


I think it's worth pointing out that the way BR was carved up, wasn't really the Government's responsiblity-- it was actually EU Directive 91/440 that caused the break-up of British Rail AIUI.
LL
Larry the Loafer
As much as I want LWT programmes back on the air, they still operate don't they? Or am I not realising that Dancing On Ice and the rest of that bo***cks is all made by Granada?
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A former member
Larry the Loafer posted:
As much as I want LWT programmes back on the air, they still operate don't they? Or am I not realising that Dancing On Ice and the rest of that bo***cks is all made by Granada?


Isn't most of ITV's real rubbish, somewhat ironically, made by Thames though? (Along with Endemol).

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