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(July 2003)

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SW
swanseas-sound
DId anyone else notice that the subtitling credit at the end of tonight's James Bond film was credited to ORACLE SUBTITLING

Do they still exist or have teletext purchased all the subtitle files that were made under ORACLE. OR infact have ITFC purchased any?


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NW
nwtv2003
Well it is well known that they record the subtitles if the programme or film is not going out live and it is obviously keyed in earlier. But I bet it is annoying if you have to subtitle a film which is about 2 and a half hours long. Though this isn't the first time, the BBC have done this, I am certain I saw a programme a couple of years ago and at the end the subtitles were credited to BBC Scotland 1991. Though this is weird that you see Oracle's subtitles on Teletext! But if they are well done, there is no point of typing the subtitles again really.
OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
I have seen that 'Subtitling - BBC Scotland' at the end of countless programmes on the BBC. I wonder why?
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A former member
swanseas-sound posted:
DId anyone else notice that the subtitling credit at the end of tonight's James Bond film was credited to ORACLE SUBTITLING

Do they still exist or have teletext purchased all the subtitle files that were made under ORACLE. OR infact have ITFC purchased any?


Teletext don't provide susbtitles for programmes as Oracle did. The TV companies (ITV, C4, C5) broadcast the subtitles.

ITFC are just one of the companies that create subtitles

Those subtitles will only work with that version or copy of the film as they are triggered by the timecode on the tape so the disc or file was obviously kept for that particular tape. They can be stored on floppy disc so can be kept with a master copy of a tape. In the BBC they are stored on a central server by programme number so are just retrived everytime that tape/programme is broadcast
MA
Martin Founding member
While on the subject of subtitling, I noticed the BBC subtitles trailer has re appeared, advertising the fact subtitling is available on 888 or by pressing Subtitles the trailer has been around for some time and features spirals making up '888'

http://www.martinsharkey.co.uk/signatures/martinsig.gif
NU
The Nurse
Larry Scutta posted:
Those subtitles will only work with that version or copy of the film as they are triggered by the timecode on the tape so the disc or file was obviously kept for that particular tape.


But surely the original Oracle subtitles will have been created against a 4:3 copy of the film, whereas ITV are now playing out the 16:9 versions? Or will the timecode stay the same?
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A former member
The black lines are blocking some of the action.
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A former member
The Nurse posted:
Larry Scutta posted:
Those subtitles will only work with that version or copy of the film as they are triggered by the timecode on the tape so the disc or file was obviously kept for that particular tape.


But surely the original Oracle subtitles will have been created against a 4:3 copy of the film, whereas ITV are now playing out the 16:9 versions? Or will the timecode stay the same?


That's a good point.
Either the 16:9 copy is the same or more likely the original subtitle file has been changed slightly. Assuming that nothing has been edited out the words will still be in the same order at the same times in the film. It's just a case of 'nudging' them to match (i.e. once you get the first subtitle of each part right the rest will sync up by themselves
PE
Pete Founding member
Martin posted:
While on the subject of subtitling, I noticed the BBC subtitles trailer has re appeared, advertising the fact subtitling is available on 888 or by pressing Subtitles the trailer has been around for some time and features spirals making up '888'

http://www.martinsharkey.co.uk/signatures/martinsig.gif


With annoying animation on the subtitles. I wonder if anyone emails them at subtitling@bbc.co.uk as they ask us to at the end of every show. Bless.
PE
Pete Founding member
Martin posted:
While on the subject of subtitling, I noticed the BBC subtitles trailer has re appeared, advertising the fact subtitling is available on 888 or by pressing Subtitles the trailer has been around for some time and features spirals making up '888'

http://www.martinsharkey.co.uk/signatures/martinsig.gif


With annoying animation on the subtitles. I wonder if anyone emails them at subtitling@bbc.co.uk as they ask us to at the end of every show. Bless.
PE
Pete Founding member
I thought the MHEG engine in the digibox generated them (or open or whatever in Sky) so they would just take the same thing and render them different.
NU
The Nurse
If this is the case I wish they'd make in-vision signing an option rather than compulsory, I find myself switching to analogue (ugh... 4:3) on a Sunday morning to catch the Hollyoaks omnibus!!!

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