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(February 2020)

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VM
VMPhil
Spencer posted:
Brekkie posted:
VMPhil posted:
Given that the idea behind The Royle Family (at least, originally) was that it was in real time over thirty minutes, I'm not sure it really would have worked on ITV.

Granada especially seem to realise some things work better ad free on the BBC, although had it aired in "real time" on ITV I'm sure the 4 minute break could be worked in easy enough, especially as the show was built around watching TV and putting the kettle on.


Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?

Mrs Merton was Granada for BBC as well.
MA
Markymark
Neil Jones posted:


24 worked on commercial TV, though the impact of it being in real time was lost when it appeared over here on the BBC.


Yes, and the same on the DVD Smile It always amused me how Jack Bauer could go from one side of LA to the other and find somewhere to park in less than three minutes. I can't even get from my sofa, to the mini roundabout 300 yards away in that time.
IT
IndigoTucker
james-2001 posted:
"Starring Jimmy Akingbola"- that name reminds me of someone Zipper
Will they be wearing nappies?
JA
james-2001
IndigoTucker posted:
james-2001 posted:
"Starring Jimmy Akingbola"- that name reminds me of someone Zipper
Will they be wearing nappies?

🤮🤮
SP
Spencer
VMPhil posted:
Spencer posted:
Brekkie posted:
Granada especially seem to realise some things work better ad free on the BBC, although had it aired in "real time" on ITV I'm sure the 4 minute break could be worked in easy enough, especially as the show was built around watching TV and putting the kettle on.


Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?

Mrs Merton was Granada for BBC as well.


Indeed, although the pilot they made was shown regionally on Granada itself (plus there was an earlier pilot made by Yorkshire which was never broadcast).
SW
Steve Williams
Spencer posted:
Indeed, although the pilot they made was shown regionally on Granada itself (plus there was an earlier pilot made by Yorkshire which was never broadcast).


Yes, when she was billed as "Mrs Murton" (sic).

When Granada made the magic show Stuff The White Rabbit for the Beeb, they also showed the series first regionally on Granada, which is when I watched it. It was always intended for the Beeb, though, because it was in a 35 minute slot with adverts.

Spencer posted:
Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?


No, because if you're trying to diversify, you wouldn't do much if all you were offering up were shows that had been rejected by another channel.
FB
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Spencer posted:
Brekkie posted:
VMPhil posted:
Given that the idea behind The Royle Family (at least, originally) was that it was in real time over thirty minutes, I'm not sure it really would have worked on ITV.

Granada especially seem to realise some things work better ad free on the BBC, although had it aired in "real time" on ITV I'm sure the 4 minute break could be worked in easy enough, especially as the show was built around watching TV and putting the kettle on.


Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?


From what I recall it was part of the then new Broadcasting Act requiring the BBC and ITV to take more independent production - be it a small or well establish company like Granada. ITV did the same with various companies created by it's former staff. I don't remember though what the percentage was though.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
25% I believe. Or that may have "out of London" productions?
RO
robertclark125
I think, certainly for ITV, it was about 15% was the figure that had to be made by independents. No idea what the BBC's minimum figure was, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
RD
rdd Founding member
It was 25% in the case of both the BBC and ITV (s16(2)(h) Broadcasting Act 1990 in the case of each ITV licensee, s186 of the 1990 Act in the case of the BBC). Those provisions were repealed and replaced by s277(1) Communications Act 2003 which provides for the same thing.
MA
Markymark
VMPhil posted:
Spencer posted:
Brekkie posted:
Granada especially seem to realise some things work better ad free on the BBC, although had it aired in "real time" on ITV I'm sure the 4 minute break could be worked in easy enough, especially as the show was built around watching TV and putting the kettle on.


Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?

Mrs Merton was Granada for BBC as well.


As was one of the 'Ups', was it 42 Up?
VM
VMPhil
Markymark posted:
VMPhil posted:
Spencer posted:

Was it a case of Granada realising that some things work better on the BBC, or was it that these were programmes that the ITV Network Centre didn't want, and so Granada took them to the Beeb instead?

Mrs Merton was Granada for BBC as well.


As was one of the 'Ups', was it 42 Up?

I think that actually was a case of ITV turning it down and the BBC taking it on. I believe Steve has talked about this before on here.

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