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Rob_Schneider
Wtf is that guy smoking?
AK
Never taken drugs in my life. Just attempting to provide a broader perspective.
Don't see what on earth is wrong with pointing out, for example, that racing brings together a Downton Abbey audience (or a Daily Telegraph audience, if you like) and a Coronation Street audience (or a Daily Mirror audience, ditto). Neither of those are as likely to watch Channel 4 as ITV (even if the former are obviously historically much more BBC loyalists). Channel 4 generally has a different audience - when racing first moved to Channel 4 (initially as the equivalent of moving something from BBC1 to BBC2, pretty much) it had a different different audience, if you see what I mean - and the sport has always seemed slightly out of place there, if (obviously) not for the same reason by the time IMG took over as when it first arrived. Its core audience has never had much interest in racing, whether in 1986 or 2016.
ITV clearly suspect that, partially because of Downton, those who liked the social *idea* of Royal Ascot as part of their idea of the BBC - that strange paradox where those who vote for anti-BBC politicians watch the BBC more, with the reverse also being true - will be more willing to watch their channel than the younger, edgier Channel 4. They also suspect that the older working-class demographic who liked the old Channel 4 Racing (but often not much else on that channel at any point) who think Nick Luck is too stuck-up will watch in greater numbers. I suspect that, on both fronts, they're probably right, at least as far as the big meetings go. Certainly, the racing authorities were hoping that Channel 4 would keep the Daily Mirror audience and win the Daily Telegraph audience alongside them. As it turned out they have lost the former and not brought the latter over - hence their nervous response which has taken this form.
I might mention that racing is Clare's first love and the first thing she ever covered regularly (and while she always did "other stuff", I can bet that numbers man didn't like her presenting midweek football on Five Live twenty years ago) and that a lot of posts on The Racing Forum about her were blatantly homophobic and inverted-snobbish in tone (i.e. the aspect of the Daily Mirror which is only distinguishable from the Daily Mail by ostensible political allegiance). You can't pretend that either of these things don't apply. But, as I say, she did a grand total of two meetings in 2015. If she is considered a turn-off for the more socially regressive parts of the working-class audience, no doubt ITV won't use her either - if, that is, she even wants to do it any more. She quite possibly doesn't.
Don't see what on earth is wrong with pointing out, for example, that racing brings together a Downton Abbey audience (or a Daily Telegraph audience, if you like) and a Coronation Street audience (or a Daily Mirror audience, ditto). Neither of those are as likely to watch Channel 4 as ITV (even if the former are obviously historically much more BBC loyalists). Channel 4 generally has a different audience - when racing first moved to Channel 4 (initially as the equivalent of moving something from BBC1 to BBC2, pretty much) it had a different different audience, if you see what I mean - and the sport has always seemed slightly out of place there, if (obviously) not for the same reason by the time IMG took over as when it first arrived. Its core audience has never had much interest in racing, whether in 1986 or 2016.
ITV clearly suspect that, partially because of Downton, those who liked the social *idea* of Royal Ascot as part of their idea of the BBC - that strange paradox where those who vote for anti-BBC politicians watch the BBC more, with the reverse also being true - will be more willing to watch their channel than the younger, edgier Channel 4. They also suspect that the older working-class demographic who liked the old Channel 4 Racing (but often not much else on that channel at any point) who think Nick Luck is too stuck-up will watch in greater numbers. I suspect that, on both fronts, they're probably right, at least as far as the big meetings go. Certainly, the racing authorities were hoping that Channel 4 would keep the Daily Mirror audience and win the Daily Telegraph audience alongside them. As it turned out they have lost the former and not brought the latter over - hence their nervous response which has taken this form.
I might mention that racing is Clare's first love and the first thing she ever covered regularly (and while she always did "other stuff", I can bet that numbers man didn't like her presenting midweek football on Five Live twenty years ago) and that a lot of posts on The Racing Forum about her were blatantly homophobic and inverted-snobbish in tone (i.e. the aspect of the Daily Mirror which is only distinguishable from the Daily Mail by ostensible political allegiance). You can't pretend that either of these things don't apply. But, as I say, she did a grand total of two meetings in 2015. If she is considered a turn-off for the more socially regressive parts of the working-class audience, no doubt ITV won't use her either - if, that is, she even wants to do it any more. She quite possibly doesn't.
Last edited by Araminta Kane on 4 January 2016 1:55am - 6 times in total
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And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.
Did the Beeb really turn up at Epsom and mount a full OB rig, or just take a clean feed from Thames's OB, with just a couple of their cameras for their own pres I wonder ?
I very much expect that the BBC put their own set-up in. It would have been very unusual for the BBC to take a 'pool' or 'host' feed from ITV back in the day. They would usually mount their own coverage of shared events.
noggin
Founding member
And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.
Did the Beeb really turn up at Epsom and mount a full OB rig, or just take a clean feed from Thames's OB, with just a couple of their cameras for their own pres I wonder ?
I very much expect that the BBC put their own set-up in. It would have been very unusual for the BBC to take a 'pool' or 'host' feed from ITV back in the day. They would usually mount their own coverage of shared events.
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A former member
2 posters talking utter crap
That makes 3 utter craps posters then, you don't nothing to add to this discussion, apart from crapping on us. I maybe guilty as sin as doing something like this but this discussion is alot more serious. . At least Araminta Kane wrote a few paragraphs, some of his points are questionable but at least he and My self some effort. and points all you did was meh, And people wonder why there no respect around here.
As a person who does bet and watches the horse and also know people who even go to Horse meetings etc I think its far to say Araminta Kane made sweeping statements, If were going down that road then look at the football forums etc you will ALWAYS find a minatory we never spoke for everyone. Is it the same reason why lots of people dislike Graham Norton show?
Its been said on this thread most people dis like the current Ch4 racing presentation, Not because of class or people sexuality its crap.
BR
Newmarket considered to be the biggest loser in the changes with provisionally just one day of coverage on ITV, with the 1000 Guineas either likely to air on ITV4 or be moved to run on the same day as the 2000 Guineas to get ITV exposure.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/04/newmarket-television-right-deal-itv
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/04/newmarket-television-right-deal-itv
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A former member
There is also TWO full page about this intodays Racing post.
Channel 4 fires warning over loss of racing to ITV
BY JON LEES 8:00PM 6 JAN 2016
IN A powerful parting shot at the decision to ditch the network as racing's exclusive terrestrial broadcaster, Channel 4 on Wednesday warned the sport was losing "an unmatched shop window" by awarding the next contract to ITV.
With a substantial amount of racing destined to be shown on ITV4 from next year under the new four-year deal, Ed Havard, C4's head of TV events and sport, said 2016 would be the final year in which "the majority of racing days in the UK are carried on a main terrestrial channel".
And he said racing would be hard-pressed to find a more committed partner than C4, which he claimed in the last three years had gone beyond its contractual obligations to introduce innovation and star talent to its award-winning coverage.
Havard was reacting after days of pointed criticism of C4 and IMG, who since 2013 have produced Channel 4 Racing, in the wake of ITV winning the tender process to broadcast racing free-to-air exclusively for four years from next year.
He said: "It's no exaggeration to say that Channel 4 has been an unmatched shop window for racing, particularly over the last three years.
"Our determination to make sure racing has remained on one single terrestrial channel has meant Channel 4 Racing and its associated programming has reached almost 39 million viewers since 2013 - over 65 per cent of the UK population."
Channel 4 fires warning over loss of racing to ITV
BY JON LEES 8:00PM 6 JAN 2016
IN A powerful parting shot at the decision to ditch the network as racing's exclusive terrestrial broadcaster, Channel 4 on Wednesday warned the sport was losing "an unmatched shop window" by awarding the next contract to ITV.
With a substantial amount of racing destined to be shown on ITV4 from next year under the new four-year deal, Ed Havard, C4's head of TV events and sport, said 2016 would be the final year in which "the majority of racing days in the UK are carried on a main terrestrial channel".
And he said racing would be hard-pressed to find a more committed partner than C4, which he claimed in the last three years had gone beyond its contractual obligations to introduce innovation and star talent to its award-winning coverage.
Havard was reacting after days of pointed criticism of C4 and IMG, who since 2013 have produced Channel 4 Racing, in the wake of ITV winning the tender process to broadcast racing free-to-air exclusively for four years from next year.
He said: "It's no exaggeration to say that Channel 4 has been an unmatched shop window for racing, particularly over the last three years.
"Our determination to make sure racing has remained on one single terrestrial channel has meant Channel 4 Racing and its associated programming has reached almost 39 million viewers since 2013 - over 65 per cent of the UK population."
BR
The Daily Mail claiming that Sky's Ed Chamberlain is now the favourite to become the main host of ITV Racing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3575853/Deutsche-Bank-set-end-sponsorship-Lord-s-MCC-consider-title-deal-one-ground-s-new-stands.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3575853/Deutsche-Bank-set-end-sponsorship-Lord-s-MCC-consider-title-deal-one-ground-s-new-stands.html
MA
...as that article originally said that Sky Sports are showing this year's Champions League final (it's now been corrected), I'd take it with a pinch of salt. At least half of what Charlie Sale writes is unmitigated rubbish.
HC
Any news on who will be producing the coverage yet?
ITV Sport in-house, or farming it out to the indie sector..?
ITV Sport in-house, or farming it out to the indie sector..?
MA
There was an in-depth article about the coverage in the Times recently, which stated that it was going to be an in-house production.
Any news on who will be producing the coverage yet?
ITV Sport in-house, or farming it out to the indie sector..?
ITV Sport in-house, or farming it out to the indie sector..?
There was an in-depth article about the coverage in the Times recently, which stated that it was going to be an in-house production.
SW
I think there's no chance of this happening, to go from presenting big Premier League games to the 3.30 from Market Rasen. He's not a big enough name for ITV to poach, and it's not a big enough job for him to leave Sky to do. Aside from the Grand National and the other big races, where they could probably use a freelancer like John Inverdale, the rest of the racing output will be on ITV4 and there's no need to bring in a big name for that.
The Daily Mail claiming that Sky's Ed Chamberlain is now the favourite to become the main host of ITV Racing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3575853/Deutsche-Bank-set-end-sponsorship-Lord-s-MCC-consider-title-deal-one-ground-s-new-stands.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3575853/Deutsche-Bank-set-end-sponsorship-Lord-s-MCC-consider-title-deal-one-ground-s-new-stands.html
I think there's no chance of this happening, to go from presenting big Premier League games to the 3.30 from Market Rasen. He's not a big enough name for ITV to poach, and it's not a big enough job for him to leave Sky to do. Aside from the Grand National and the other big races, where they could probably use a freelancer like John Inverdale, the rest of the racing output will be on ITV4 and there's no need to bring in a big name for that.