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ITV win horse racing rights from 2017

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RDJ
Nice idea... Albeit very unlikely!

To be honest, I would expect much more than....

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Either way this is the first regular sporting fixture to be shown on Saturday afternoons on ITV since the loss of World of Sport. Get ITV to pick up Wrestling rights and the likes of Kart Racing and they could well bring back WoS!
Last edited by RDJ on 2 January 2016 7:21pm - 2 times in total
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flaziola
RDJ posted:
...Either way this is the first regular sporting fixture to be shown on Saturday afternoons on ITV since the loss of World of Sport....
Erm, Formula 1 qualifying? FA Cup matches? They also ran a Final Score program when they had the Premiership.
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robertclark125
Someone mentioned that some bookmakers offer live streams of races on their website, providing you stake so much, and these may include live races on FTA television. Hopefully ITV, as part of the deal, can persuade the authorities to prevent bookmakers from streaming races on their website, that are also being shown on ITV at the same time.
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A former member
There's another piece in the racing post today, it's a 4 year deal ie until Dec 2020, plus itv won it on viewing firgue, its guaranteed at least 34 meetings on itv/stv.

I still think it be more.
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Brekkie
Someone mentioned that some bookmakers offer live streams of races on their website, providing you stake so much, and these may include live races on FTA television. Hopefully ITV, as part of the deal, can persuade the authorities to prevent bookmakers from streaming races on their website, that are also being shown on ITV at the same time.

Racing is betting - no chance of that happening. Betting streaming is just another media and most sports use it, sometimes streaming the FTA coverage and other times taking a clean feed, like the US Open Tennis which had coverage of all courts on Bet 365, but with restricted screensize.
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A former member
http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=14146024&category=0

I expect alot of cross promotion on ITV pointing viewers to ITV4

Quote:
ITV won the right to showcase horseracing for four years from 2017 because of the network’s potential to lift viewing figures back towards levels not reached since it was covered by the BBC, the sport’s chief negotiator Richard FitzGerald said on Saturday night.

Racecourse Media Group’s chief executive said Royal Ascot and the Derby could expect “substantial increases” in viewers as a result of the decision to leave Channel 4, the principal home of the sport for the last 31 years, to forge a new partnership with Britain’s main commercial broadcaster.

The £30 million deal, exclusively revealed by the Racing Post on Friday night, will deliver racing’s marquee events like the Grand National, Cheltenham Festival, Derby and Royal Ascot to the station synonymous with Coronation Street, The X Factor and Britain’s Got Talent.

The RMG-led negotiation succeeded in securing more money but FitzGerald said improving viewing figures, which have collapsed disastrously for some key events during Channel 4’s recent tenure, was the overriding aim.

“We’ve always said it was about audience and not just about the money, and that is important to stress,” he said.

“The discussions with ITV were about growing audience and that is the basis of why we particularly wanted to go with ITV. There were other things, such as their digital proposition, where their reach goes beyond Channel 4’s. We feel the opportunity is there to grow the sport.”

Initial drop in figures expected on ITV4

However, the initial expectation is racing’s audience on ITV4 - where 60 racedays will be shown - will be below Channel 4, where viewers of British Champions Day fell from an average of 1.1m in the BBC's final year to just 367,000 last October.

“I think it is fair to say that probably initially it will be less but we believe there is a very strong transferable audience and certainly the ambition is to get it on a like-for-like level with Channel 4 during the life of the contract,” Fitzgerald said.

“You can read whatever you want into viewing figures. We feel there will be a significant enhancement. Royal Ascot and the Derby in particular should see some substantial increases.”

A Channel 4 spokesperson said: “We are proud of the award-winning coverage we have given to horseracing over the last three decades – and the 90 days of live terrestrial television exposure per year we’ve offered the sport, backed by significant editorial investment, marketing and programming across our schedules. We wish racing all the best from 2017.”
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Steve Williams
It was simulcast (live) on ITV for a few years until C4's transmitter network reached parity with BBC1/2/ITV, which was Dec 1987.

Didn't ITV simply dump horse racing onto C4 in 1983, starting with weekday races ? (back then ITV and 4's relationship for sports was similar to that of BBC 1 to BBC 2, (for obvious reasons)


Yes, the Derby had to be simulcast on ITV for a few years after all the racing moved to C4 because it was a listed event and had to made available to all viewers, and not everyone could pick up C4 for the first few years. C4 would show all the other races at the meeting, though. It's the same reason why, if you look at Genome, in the seventies there would be something like the Cheltenham Festival on BBC2 all afternoon but the big feature races like the Gold Cup would be simulcast on BBC1. As you see a bit later they stopped simulcasting it when it was no longer required but still showed highlights up until 1991, seemingly just because they could.

And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.

ITV first moved midweek racing to Channel 4 in March 1984. It was a win-win for everyone because C4 could show more races than ITV, who had to work around the news, soaps and kids' shows, and it meant ITV could show more populist fare. It was the same reason why the Party Conferences moved over around the same time. Saturday racing continued on ITV until World of Sport ended in September 1985.
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MA
Markymark

And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.


Did the Beeb really turn up at Epsom and mount a full OB rig, or just take a clean feed from Thames's OB, with just a couple of their cameras for their own pres I wonder ?
DO
dosxuk

And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.


Did the Beeb really turn up at Epsom and mount a full OB rig, or just take a clean feed from Thames's OB, with just a couple of their cameras for their own pres I wonder ?


I'd be very surprised if they didn't put their own full rig in.
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Markymark

And of course as we've mentioned here before up until 1979, while ITV had the rights to racing from Epsom, BBC1 also simulcast the Derby alone - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1979-06-06 - because it was a listed event that couldn't be exclusive to any one channel.


Did the Beeb really turn up at Epsom and mount a full OB rig, or just take a clean feed from Thames's OB, with just a couple of their cameras for their own pres I wonder ?


I'd be very surprised if they didn't put their own full rig in.


Yes, me too. Quite extravagant for 10-15 mins worth of coverage, that someone else is already adequately doing, but different times !
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Araminta Kane
If Clare Balding is considered "part of the problem", then that probably shows that a lot of racing fans are homophobic inverted snobs, i.e. the very worst aspects of Old Labour (it has been claimed that the BBC wanted to get out of racing because it appealed to "the wrong people", i.e. those people plus their equivalents in the upper class, although those claims have been made by the sort of people I can't really trust on these or any matters).

But I don't think she is, because she's barely been on it lately. But I think Nick Luck might have put off the "Old Labour" audience (often extremely socially regressive on other matters, as described above) because his persona is so redolent of the archetypal Cameronite MP - same generation, same class, same method of presentation and delivery (and same confused, vaguely semi-Australian use of the language - "amongst", "mightn't" and "oughtn't" uneasily co-existing with "toward" and other mid-Atlanticisms). I should imagine he will carry the can for this, with (as suggested) Matt Chapman taking over because he is perceived, in line with the network he is broadcasting on, to have a greater working-class appeal (there is a considerable ATR / Racing UK cultural divide on this front in line with that between Channel 4 and the BBC twenty years ago, and it's obvious that ITV will want to be on the former side and will perceive Channel 4 as having thrown away much of the sport's core audience by being on the latter). That being said, he once tweeted rhetorically that (paraphrased) "you'd never get a pop singer on a classical singing context" after a classically-orientated singer did well on The Voice, which I think utterly destroys a lot of the self-image of those who believe in The Vast High-Cultural Conspiracy - if an Old Harrovian can imagine it to exist (it doesn't, of course), then that blows open the idea that imagining it to exist is in itself a badge of working-classness, and that everyone from Luck's background is "in" "on" "it".

But at the same time I also end up finding IMG coverage preferable to what came before on Channel 4, and I certainly doubt we will see a return of the previous presentation team. And I fear that attempting to appease those who cannot press a simple button is doomed to failure - as ever, the rest of the sport suffers when that bafflingly large part of the public (who clearly don't care about racing in itself, but as part of a doomed high Tory *ideal* of social events, the summer, etc., which the Tories don't actually care about at all) is the highest concern. But they have found that those sorts of people (those who liked the *idea* of Royal Ascot because it fits with their wider politics, but scarcely know about the actual participants) won't watch Channel 4 because they still think it's full of Commies, whereas the equally conservative - but in a different way - McCririck fanboys, who also scarcely watched anything else on Channel 4 because they think it's full of the "wrong" (i.e. Guardian rather than Mirror) kind of Left, have been turned off for other reasons. The worst of all worlds. I really have felt quite sorry for them, as it has revealed two different kinds of regressive, inflexible outlooks which have always come together in racing as almost nowhere else, and left out everyone else in between.

No doubt it will be easier for the channel of Cowell & Fellowes' pact of Cameronite non-aggression ...
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A former member
What a awful explanation , and whats worse is you bring in other factors. Clare Balding is just crap at horse racing and so is that Nick Luck. She needs to go back to covering other stuff.

Go into any bookies and you can find plenty of people who hate the presenters or reportors, because there crap, or boring or give out awful tips not because there a bunch of left wing homophobic inverted snobs. I also hate the current theme music, I just think the whole presentation of CH4 racing nowadays is poor.

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